Link Bar Lifters: Comp vs Morel / Lunati
07-25-2013, 11:05 PM
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Overkill would help these guy with problematic lifters I know nothings perfect, I'm going with solid lifters Needleless EZ rollers they are Expensive but well worth it.
07-25-2013, 11:18 PM
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If you talk to Ed Curtis, one of the things he usually recommends is Restricted Pushrods, especially with Morel lifters.
Sounds like he is doing what the Johnson lifter is doing with the use of a restricted pushrod, because they meter the correct amount of oil to the top and restrict the bleed down of the lifter plungers.
Just a thought.
Sounds like he is doing what the Johnson lifter is doing with the use of a restricted pushrod, because they meter the correct amount of oil to the top and restrict the bleed down of the lifter plungers.
Just a thought.
07-26-2013, 08:09 AM
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it really sucks to have a lifter wipe out my entire engine,i am kinda stuck without anything at this point,and there was nothing left to send back to morel after we had to chisel the lifter appart after it got stuck in the bore,at this point i am picking up a bone stock 6.0 lq4 for 500$ and putting it in there,wish i had a ls9 cam to throw in it before i do though,trying to sell a solid roller cam i got https://ls1tech.com/forums/parts-cla...p-headers.html so i can fund a replacement motor.
07-26-2013, 09:27 AM
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Mr. Lewis at Johnson lifter was very helpful, you have to pay for RELIABILITY solid bearing hyd lifter with all the works 1000.00 and running very.. very helpful guy although we spoke about me using EZ rollers he gave me a lot of insight on if I were to go to or stay with a hyd..
07-26-2013, 10:46 AM
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Forgot to tell you all that Lewis said Johnson part # ST2116LSR – LS series Retro fit short travel (has changed to): ST2126LSR – LS series Retro fit short travel.
07-26-2013, 12:38 PM
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The Johnson Hydraulic roller lifters with Solid bearings and Cold forged extra long piston for controlled leak down and pump up with the axle oiling features would help to eliminate bearings from going everywhere (Know) bearings It's a Solid bearing .....$$$$.00. He also stated that the lifters we are talking about is the same style as for the BBC and that at Idle very little oil is on the lifters and they have had GM to test them at Idle on a BBC for more than 3000 hrs or something along that line.They also have a greater open load spring pressure than any other lifter I've seen Lunati is I believe 560-580 Lewis stated that there top of line lifter can handle more than this meaning you can get more crazy with the cam lobes and not have to worry about bearings (there are none) and the lifter collapsing or pumping up. Hell if I would have known about this I would not even talked about EZ roller lifters, Needle less bearings for a HYD roller is what is wanted and needed. Without the Maintenance of a Solid...Lash Adj...etc...
07-26-2013, 12:54 PM
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A Lot of things come into mind when I'm choosing parts and RELIABILITY is the Main thing what good does it do for me or U to buy a part and then have it 
a engine.Like the Yella Terra rocker arms 98% of them are good but if you are that 2% what good does that do you.Thats why I will give any Manufacturer a call in a heartbeat and see if they've come up with something I have in my mind Like I called ISKY about doing a EZ roller HYD.
a engine.Like the Yella Terra rocker arms 98% of them are good but if you are that 2% what good does that do you.Thats why I will give any Manufacturer a call in a heartbeat and see if they've come up with something I have in my mind Like I called ISKY about doing a EZ roller HYD.
07-26-2013, 01:09 PM
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I think it can't go any where but UP.. no NEEDLE bearings but they are costly solid EZ rollers are around 800 up to 1100 bucks and the Johnson lifters I'm talking about at the least 1199 dollars but if you've put a lot of time and $$$$ into your car your not going to cry about this when you see guy's have lifter problems like we are seeing. Hell I got a 408 and I'm not going with either Morel or Lunati lifters there are a lot of guy's on this Forum that have spent well over 10K on their engines. I may not have as much $$$$ invested on mine.... but a Needle bearing will not be one problem that I will run into on my little (Villain).
07-26-2013, 01:26 PM
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I love these forums for all the information available, but at the same time they can cause sleepless nights. I am running a built 402 and used morel 5206's. Its been running flawlessly so far but now this will always be in the back of my mind.
I hope an actual cause is discovered, so these problems can be avoided by others.
I hope an actual cause is discovered, so these problems can be avoided by others.
07-28-2013, 02:53 AM
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The Isky Marathon roller is a bad *** lifter. We use them in our shop car that has been 5.40's on a 250 shot 275/60 radials.
The plus to the Isky and a lot of these aftermarket short travels is a taller body lifter. This shortens the push rod and allows less deflection to occur. With a good lifter like being discussed in here, and a shorter stiff push rod, the cam lobe choices are pretty much endless.
LSK and XER would finally be an OK choice to use if such a valve train system was put into place.
The plus to the Isky and a lot of these aftermarket short travels is a taller body lifter. This shortens the push rod and allows less deflection to occur. With a good lifter like being discussed in here, and a shorter stiff push rod, the cam lobe choices are pretty much endless.
LSK and XER would finally be an OK choice to use if such a valve train system was put into place.
07-28-2013, 03:19 AM
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I put morel they were recommended from my builder and I have tached it out once or twice on accident and never had a issue. Paid a little more but I feel they help make my heart pretty bullet proof for meow.
07-30-2013, 08:03 PM
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We run morel 5206's in most of our big build fi cars. No failures. My personal car gets driven on the street and runs 5.2's in the 1/8th. No issues with anything on that car.
I've had broken Johnson lifters at the shop but they said it was a quality control problem.
Point is, anything can break.
I've had broken Johnson lifters at the shop but they said it was a quality control problem.
Point is, anything can break.
07-31-2013, 10:55 PM
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We run morel 5206's in most of our big build fi cars. No failures. My personal car gets driven on the street and runs 5.2's in the 1/8th. No issues with anything on that car.
I've had broken Johnson lifters at the shop but they said it was a quality control problem.
Point is, anything can break.
I've had broken Johnson lifters at the shop but they said it was a quality control problem.
Point is, anything can break.
