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Old 06-10-2013, 05:00 PM
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Thanks litle 88 for all your help bro!
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my exact build but im doin 418 assembled short block from TSP
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my exact build but im doin 418 assembled short block from TSP
Cool deal I've heard nothing but good reviews on those TSP short blocks. Did you check out the pics of the crank? You using around the same cam as well?
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Originally Posted by jdub38672
Thanks litle 88 for all your help bro!
My pleasure
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Originally Posted by litle88
My pleasure
How are you liking that powebond ud
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Originally Posted by jdub38672
I have several ideas just haven't narrowed it down yet. Hopefully I will have my mind made up by this week. Planning on building the short block next week. Melling high volume pump, ls7 lifters, timing chain, and tensioner are in boxes ready to go. I will post pics of those tomorrow. All I can tell you is the cam is going to be huge!! I will let you know specs soon.
Why LS7 lifters? Put some tie bars in there for a little peace of mind.
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
Why LS7 lifters? Put some tie bars in there for a little peace of mind.
I really don't think tie bars will be necessary in my application. The motor will not see more the 6700-6800.The LS7 lifter is just a better lifter and will sustain more abuse than a LS1 lifter.. Just my opinion it looks a little beefier
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Originally Posted by jdub38672
How are you liking that powebond ud
I've never had a problem with any power bond pulley bud. If you do get one make sure it's only a 10% UD.
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
Why LS7 lifters? Put some tie bars in there for a little peace of mind.
I do see his point and its a valid one. My cam peaks at 66/6700 but with the spring pressures and lobes I went with I bit the bullet and decided on morels. No regrets. Just a suggestion.
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Originally Posted by jdub38672
I really don't think tie bars will be necessary in my application. The motor will not see more the 6700-6800.The LS7 lifter is just a better lifter and will sustain more abuse than a LS1 lifter.. Just my opinion it looks a little beefier
It's not the rpm issue. When you have a lifter turn on you in a tray you will wish you would have went with a tie bar. I had one turn on me and I haven't used a tray style lifter since.

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I do see his point and its a valid one. My cam peaks at 66/6700 but with the spring pressures and lobes I went with I bit the bullet and decided on morels. No regrets. Just a suggestion.
Same here. I went with the Lunati equivalent since it was harder to find the Morels.

Tie bars have come down in price dramatically in the past couple of years. I don't know how much you paid for yours litle88 but I can buy mine for 150 bucks cheaper than what I paid and that's even after I price matched them
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Originally Posted by litle88
I've never had a problem with any power bond pulley bud. If you do get one make sure it's only a 10% UD.
Thanks for the advice because I was thinking 25% before you chimed in.
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
It's not the rpm issue. When you have a lifter turn on you in a tray you will wish you would have went with a tie bar. I had one turn on me and I haven't used a tray style lifter since.



Same here. I went with the Lunati equivalent since it was harder to find the Morels.

Tie bars have come down in price dramatically in the past couple of years. I don't know how much you paid for yours litle88 but I can buy mine for 150 bucks cheaper than what I paid and that's even after I price matched them
Very good point. I might look into the link bar lifters since I will be spraying this application as well.
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
It's not the rpm issue. When you have a lifter turn on you in a tray you will wish you would have went with a tie bar. I had one turn on me and I haven't used a tray style lifter since.



Same here. I went with the Lunati equivalent since it was harder to find the Morels.

Tie bars have come down in price dramatically in the past couple of years. I don't know how much you paid for yours litle88 but I can buy mine for 150 bucks cheaper than what I paid and that's even after I price matched them
What was your set up when the lifter turned on you. Cubic inch, cam specs, and RPM you turned?
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
It's not the rpm issue. When you have a lifter turn on you in a tray you will wish you would have went with a tie bar. I had one turn on me and I haven't used a tray style lifter since.



Same here. I went with the Lunati equivalent since it was harder to find the Morels.

Tie bars have come down in price dramatically in the past couple of years. I don't know how much you paid for yours litle88 but I can buy mine for 150 bucks cheaper than what I paid and that's even after I price matched them
Same here sir! I actually had ordered the lunati's BUT they were FD UP by some manimal during shipping and the plastic tray they come in was just destroyed and lifters were everywhere. I sent a picture and they sent me a set of morels! And I sent them the lunati's back. They were ALOT cheaper.
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Originally Posted by jdub38672
What was your set up when the lifter turned on you. Cubic inch, cam specs, and RPM you turned?
1st setup: 346 sbe TR224 cam, MTI heads, 6600 on motor 6800-7000 on spray.

2nd setup: 347 forged, 228/232 cam, ls2 trays, ls7 lifters 66-6700 motor 69-7100 on spray

when I put the 2nd setup together, the only lifter you can get is an LS7 lifter. Its a replacement lifter for any LS motor now. Nothing wrong with the lifter, just cant trust the trays.

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Same here sir! I actually had ordered the lunati's BUT they were FD UP by some manimal during shipping and the plastic tray they come in was just destroyed and lifters were everywhere. I sent a picture and they sent me a set of morels! And I sent them the lunati's back. They were ALOT cheaper.
Which ones do you have? I bought the top of the line 72532 which I think are the Morel 5294 equivalent. I also just found out the other day on Morel's site that if you have that lifter you cannot run an oil heavier than 5w-40. I have heard the tolerance in them is tight and they don't jive with thick oil.

http://johncalliesinc.com/product.php?ProductNo=5294
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For the price you can't go wrong with these http://www.briantooleyracing.com/mor...r-lifters.html
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Originally Posted by MertezWS6
For the price you can't go wrong with these http://www.briantooleyracing.com/mor...r-lifters.html
Not if you plan on turning more than 6500 like I do.
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Originally Posted by 87silverbullet
1st setup: 346 sbe TR224 cam, MTI heads, 6600 on motor 6800-7000 on spray.

2nd setup: 347 forged, 228/232 cam, ls2 trays, ls7 lifters 66-6700 motor 69-7100 on spray

when I put the 2nd setup together, the only lifter you can get is an LS7 lifter. Its a replacement lifter for any LS motor now. Nothing wrong with the lifter, just cant trust the trays.



Which ones do you have? I bought the top of the line 72532 which I think are the Morel 5294 equivalent. I also just found out the other day on Morel's site that if you have that lifter you cannot run an oil heavier than 5w-40. I have heard the tolerance in them is tight and they don't jive with thick oil.

http://johncalliesinc.com/product.php?ProductNo=5294
Yes sir, I actually knew and almost forgot about that info, I had contacted a few builders and Valvetrain experts and had asked which to get, either the high rpm or street version. They all recommended the street because I was not going to be spinning over 7k and AES had already informed me to ONLY use 20-50 conventional Vr1. So street it was.
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yeah, well they are in the motor now and I'm not taking them out, so I'll be using what Morel recommends
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Originally Posted by litle88
Yes sir, I actually knew and almost forgot about that info, I had contacted a few builders and Valvetrain experts and had asked which to get, either the high rpm or street version. They all recommended the street because I was not going to be spinning over 7k and AES had already informed me to ONLY use 20-50 conventional Vr1. So street it was.
Not quite sure how to identify them honestly. I purchased them from scoggin dickey https://sdparts.com/details/scoggin-...-center/sdlslk


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