Next project - 402 or 418 stroker - piston question
07-10-2014, 10:11 AM
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Uncle said he had something else 2 do .. so no work. I stopped by the shop and talked 2 my buddy & he said what the difference was so now I will call JE and give you the price...
J wants me 2 wait for the Frankenstien heads 2 come in 2 the shop 2 get a good idea of what piston 2 get cause we already have bare TFS LS3 heads with 69cc we want 2 be able 2 switch once I buy the parts for them.. building the stock ls3 head first.
Nice 414... 560 rwhp
Praying mine will get 600rwhp with a auto. I can lose 100hp and still be @ that #
J wants me 2 wait for the Frankenstien heads 2 come in 2 the shop 2 get a good idea of what piston 2 get cause we already have bare TFS LS3 heads with 69cc we want 2 be able 2 switch once I buy the parts for them.. building the stock ls3 head first.
Nice 414... 560 rwhp
Praying mine will get 600rwhp with a auto. I can lose 100hp and still be @ that #
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07-10-2014, 10:32 AM
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I do move fast.. $794.96 part#311980 .065 over 11.1 compression with 70cc heads thinking both heads will need 2 be around 68-66cc to get around 11:4 thru 11:8 Bryan @ LME will make that choice... I just buy parts now..
They have 4 a standard stroker 4in crank .030/ .065 / .070 over-bore they may have the
.005 bore also..
They have 4 a standard stroker 4in crank .030/ .065 / .070 over-bore they may have the
.005 bore also..
07-10-2014, 10:36 AM
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Texting my buddy the info now so the pistons will be ordered 2 day or in the mourning...My difference was lets say : Keep it 100.
ask 4 Henry @ JE...
Nap time...
ask 4 Henry @ JE...
Nap time...
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07-10-2014, 10:48 AM
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oh yeah the correct word is JE's ASYMMETRICAL PISTON
60 grams per piston lost on avg. while 10 grams are lost on the 2.250 wristpin VS 2.500 pin size stock LS7 piston are the same design. Yet just as strong as other forged castings.
60 grams per piston lost on avg. while 10 grams are lost on the 2.250 wristpin VS 2.500 pin size stock LS7 piston are the same design. Yet just as strong as other forged castings.
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07-10-2014, 11:14 AM
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Fyi Found these new on ebay for $500 shipped last Christmas. I think they go for high $7's
If u like flat tops. -3.1 cc/399.0 wt
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...1&d=1405008969
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...1&d=1405008969
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...1&d=1405008969
If u like flat tops. -3.1 cc/399.0 wt
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...1&d=1405008969
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...1&d=1405008969
https://ls1tech.com/forums/attachmen...1&d=1405008969
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07-10-2014, 11:17 AM
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Read about them in Popular Hot Rodding June 2014
I spend with my boy. I trust no 1 but the shop and the manufactor.... by the way - can you return a piston on Ebay?
I spend with my boy. I trust no 1 but the shop and the manufactor.... by the way - can you return a piston on Ebay?
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07-10-2014, 01:13 PM
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I ain't mad @ you... just remember my piston is lighter and stronger is all I am saying... This is Tech... so if your were buying new pistons would you buy the new JE's or stick with what you got?
I have a # of engines I did over the yrs also... Ford/Pontiac/SBC etc... BUT THE POINT IS GET OUT OF THE STONE AGE... THEY HAVE BETTER PRODUCTS THAT COME OUT ALL THE TIME... I LIKE 2 B AHEAD IN ALL THINGS...so lighter is better... correct. And it is just as strong ...correct again... So y would or should I or any1 else want the lesser piston even if Mr Arias blueprinted them himself... add in Wiseco 2? I sent there S*** packin playa.
I am just asking..
Nothing on TV so here we are... blowing on DRO might need some Forza to have some fun
I have a # of engines I did over the yrs also... Ford/Pontiac/SBC etc... BUT THE POINT IS GET OUT OF THE STONE AGE... THEY HAVE BETTER PRODUCTS THAT COME OUT ALL THE TIME... I LIKE 2 B AHEAD IN ALL THINGS...so lighter is better... correct. And it is just as strong ...correct again... So y would or should I or any1 else want the lesser piston even if Mr Arias blueprinted them himself... add in Wiseco 2? I sent there S*** packin playa.
I am just asking..
Nothing on TV so here we are... blowing on DRO might need some Forza to have some fun
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07-10-2014, 02:53 PM
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He has 2.08 turned down LS3's. TEA called them stage "3" 243's. His car runs like a beast! The 1.8 rocker is something else to consider Jake if you're going to stick with your current heads. I know how you feel about the stock rockers, and I'm right there with you, but they seemed to open Matt's car up quite a bit. He went from a 239/247 cam (LSL's) with 1.7's to a 247/255 (also LSL's) with 1.8's and picked up 40hp/20ft# to the wheels with no additional changes. His car probably has a few more hidden ponies left as it's still running 1 3/4" headers.
Also, I'm not sure if you've looked at them before, but QXX/HUC lobes are a nice combo for higher lift with stability. If you're heads don't stall above .650, they could be a good combo to maximize your power while still maintaining stability.
Also, I'm not sure if you've looked at them before, but QXX/HUC lobes are a nice combo for higher lift with stability. If you're heads don't stall above .650, they could be a good combo to maximize your power while still maintaining stability.
Has HS gotten rid of all its failure Problems. I know there old design puked @ 4000 to 9000 miles. Any body have any idea how many miles these new style HS's are good for?
07-11-2014, 07:38 AM
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JP is correct... Those are REAL numbers.... I actually added another 20rwhp, 17 tq with a NW 102 TB to my combo on top of the 560.... BUT would go into limp mode with normal driving... on the dyno and @ WOT it was a beast!!! got w NW and he stated that my C5Z being an early C5 (01) that it would be hit/miss w his newer version of the NW 102.. He suggested I find an older version and try it OR Remove internals from my LS2 TB and install into his TB... Too much $$$ for a TB... I am still trying to find an older version... I have also considered a TPI's 102 TB... It is the only other thing that I can do to my NA motor....
NOS is coming......
NOS is coming......
He has 2.08 turned down LS3's. TEA called them stage "3" 243's. His car runs like a beast! The 1.8 rocker is something else to consider Jake if you're going to stick with your current heads. I know how you feel about the stock rockers, and I'm right there with you, but they seemed to open Matt's car up quite a bit. He went from a 239/247 cam (LSL's) with 1.7's to a 247/255 (also LSL's) with 1.8's and picked up 40hp/20ft# to the wheels with no additional changes. His car probably has a few more hidden ponies left as it's still running 1 3/4" headers.
Also, I'm not sure if you've looked at them before, but QXX/HUC lobes are a nice combo for higher lift with stability. If you're heads don't stall above .650, they could be a good combo to maximize your power while still maintaining stability.
Also, I'm not sure if you've looked at them before, but QXX/HUC lobes are a nice combo for higher lift with stability. If you're heads don't stall above .650, they could be a good combo to maximize your power while still maintaining stability.
07-11-2014, 08:08 AM
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Jake, I vote selling the TEA heads as I said, and getting with Chris @ Frankenstein about his "from the ground up" TFS heads. His little 346 CTSV put over 500 to the tires with those heads.
He told me the same when I asked him about reworking my AFR's. In the end, it would be cheaper to buy new rather than put money into an already had casting.
01Z0H6, I have a 2004 Vette.... Might be interested in your NW 102 if you haven't done any mods to it.
He told me the same when I asked him about reworking my AFR's. In the end, it would be cheaper to buy new rather than put money into an already had casting.
01Z0H6, I have a 2004 Vette.... Might be interested in your NW 102 if you haven't done any mods to it.
07-11-2014, 11:38 AM
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JP is correct... Those are REAL numbers.... I actually added another 20rwhp, 17 tq with a NW 102 TB to my combo on top of the 560.... BUT would go into limp mode with normal driving... on the dyno and @ WOT it was a beast!!! got w NW and he stated that my C5Z being an early C5 (01) that it would be hit/miss w his newer version of the NW 102.. He suggested I find an older version and try it OR Remove internals from my LS2 TB and install into his TB... Too much $$$ for a TB... I am still trying to find an older version... I have also considered a TPI's 102 TB... It is the only other thing that I can do to my NA motor....
NOS is coming......
NOS is coming......
07-11-2014, 05:18 PM
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Jake, I vote selling the TEA heads as I said, and getting with Chris @ Frankenstein about his "from the ground up" TFS heads. His little 346 CTSV put over 500 to the tires with those heads.
He told me the same when I asked him about reworking my AFR's. In the end, it would be cheaper to buy new rather than put money into an already had casting.
01Z0H6, I have a 2004 Vette.... Might be interested in your NW 102 if you haven't done any mods to it.
He told me the same when I asked him about reworking my AFR's. In the end, it would be cheaper to buy new rather than put money into an already had casting.
01Z0H6, I have a 2004 Vette.... Might be interested in your NW 102 if you haven't done any mods to it.
