Maintenance involved going solid roller?
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I'm a solid roller guy have my cams design by software with mild ramps make power hydraulics only dream of and will like to adjust valves a lot more often than I have to. Camhelp@guerragroup.com happy new year, cheer's David.
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I've been searching on this recently, as I'm making the move to solid roller.
But it seems googling would suggest a reliability issue with engines that see a lot of low rpm use ? In that the rollers on the lifters can take a pounding here, perhaps more so those using needle rollers.
Is that a concern ? I want solid reliable high rpm ability, but 70mph for me is 1600rpm so I would use low rpm's a lot.
But it seems googling would suggest a reliability issue with engines that see a lot of low rpm use ? In that the rollers on the lifters can take a pounding here, perhaps more so those using needle rollers.
Is that a concern ? I want solid reliable high rpm ability, but 70mph for me is 1600rpm so I would use low rpm's a lot.
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Ask Camster as I use the expensive Ez roller lifter without needle bearings, keeping them well lubricated is the key to maintaining lifters and periodic rocker lash adjustments. Lobe profile is to be took into consideration also.
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From: Norn Iron
Nothing too aggressive.
Also, with the Jesel adjustables, what sort of valve covers are people using ? Or just some spacers ?
What height spacers ?
I'd need to keep as low a profile as possible, and ideally bolt the coils to the covers.
But I also dont want any **** that will leak.
Also, with the Jesel adjustables, what sort of valve covers are people using ? Or just some spacers ?
What height spacers ?
I'd need to keep as low a profile as possible, and ideally bolt the coils to the covers.
But I also dont want any **** that will leak.
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I've been searching on this recently, as I'm making the move to solid roller.
But it seems googling would suggest a reliability issue with engines that see a lot of low rpm use ? In that the rollers on the lifters can take a pounding here, perhaps more so those using needle rollers.
Is that a concern ? I want solid reliable high rpm ability, but 70mph for me is 1600rpm so I would use low rpm's a lot.
But it seems googling would suggest a reliability issue with engines that see a lot of low rpm use ? In that the rollers on the lifters can take a pounding here, perhaps more so those using needle rollers.
Is that a concern ? I want solid reliable high rpm ability, but 70mph for me is 1600rpm so I would use low rpm's a lot.
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From: Norn Iron
The solid roller for the street is fine. I have one in my LS3. I have some T&D roller rocker that are suppose to work with stock valve covers. This is what T&D told me. There maybe a small baffle that needs to be removed if you want I will give you a deal because I would like to have more solid roller running so we can get more feedback. Call me I can go over the complete solid roller combination.
I just need the valve covers and wish to replace springs before getting it together ( well after an engine rebuild too so might be a few weeks yet )
I like the Holley valve covers because they accept the coils without the ugly bracket. The attached pics show what I did to make them work with my new AllPro heads with 1.8 Jesel shaft rockers. They use the factory gasket and so do the spacers for no leaks.
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From: Norn Iron
I dont see any ? ....they're there now
The Holley covers are quite nice, as are Katechs, although they sort of require coil relocation. I just bought new Firecore leads a few months back, so I'm not moving the coils anywhere these wont reach.
Valve cover mounting is just handy.
My cam doesnt have insane lift either, so that should help a little too. Just under 600 thou
The billet covers Granatelli are offering are nice too, but a little more than I'd want to spend.
Mine are just regular Sportsman type rockers, so look a lot lower profile than those pictured.
Might wait til I'm stripping the engine and trial fit the rockers with the stock covers just to see if I can make them work. Might save me some money if I can
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Ahh ****, didnt realise there were spacers there too....that foils my last idea ! lol
I see some cheap spacers for sale on egay...but I'd rather a single valve cover solution with one gasket. Just less potential for leaks.
I see some cheap spacers for sale on egay...but I'd rather a single valve cover solution with one gasket. Just less potential for leaks.
Just make sure if you buy spacers get the ones machined for the factory gaskets or they will leak.
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From: Norn Iron
These, they seem to be machined for factory rings.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1415131916...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Katech look nice
http://www.prolineracing.net/compone...0a5493a58f.jpg
http://store.katechengines.com/cast-...overs-p15.aspx
The Moroso fabbed covers are quitre nice too, but just not as good as a proper cast piece
Looks like few have any provision for crankcase ventilation, so they'd need welded up to some degree no matter what I buy
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1415131916...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Katech look nice
http://www.prolineracing.net/compone...0a5493a58f.jpg
http://store.katechengines.com/cast-...overs-p15.aspx
The Moroso fabbed covers are quitre nice too, but just not as good as a proper cast piece
Looks like few have any provision for crankcase ventilation, so they'd need welded up to some degree no matter what I buy
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Is that these ones ?
http://www.proformparts.com/category...S_Valve_Covers
http://www.jegs.com/i/Proform/778/14...ductId=2417321
I'd be happy enough using any of these if they would fit. Pricing from what I can find looks good too.
Although I notice few breathers and no oil fill ?
http://www.proformparts.com/category...S_Valve_Covers
http://www.jegs.com/i/Proform/778/14...ductId=2417321
I'd be happy enough using any of these if they would fit. Pricing from what I can find looks good too.
Although I notice few breathers and no oil fill ?
Is that these ones ?
http://www.proformparts.com/category...S_Valve_Covers
http://www.jegs.com/i/Proform/778/14...ductId=2417321
I'd be happy enough using any of these if they would fit. Pricing from what I can find looks good too.
Although I notice few breathers and no oil fill ?
http://www.proformparts.com/category...S_Valve_Covers
http://www.jegs.com/i/Proform/778/14...ductId=2417321
I'd be happy enough using any of these if they would fit. Pricing from what I can find looks good too.
Although I notice few breathers and no oil fill ?
Yes those and they have an oil fill on the driver side.
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From: Norn Iron
Can you source/supply the Proform ones above Kip ?
Bare metal finish, as I may need to weld to them anyway, may as well get coil relocation brackets too, might be easier to adapt them than build from scratch.
Bare metal finish, as I may need to weld to them anyway, may as well get coil relocation brackets too, might be easier to adapt them than build from scratch.
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I installed ARE valve covers with valve spring oilers in them. They clear my T&D's and then I mounted Katech's coil relocation kit on those valve covers. I'll take a picture and show post it.
Before spending money for shaftmounted rockers, tall valve covers, and high end solid roller lifters for a solid roller set up, check out other members here, like Gray86hatch, that runs HR and making power, as well as running them on the street and long trips on the highway. His car runs low 9's all motor, and drives it to and from track events. It's all in a well thought out valvetrain working together as a whole. Gurus, like Brian @BTR, Martin@Tick, Ed@FTI, just to name a few, will tell you this.
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From: Norn Iron
Before spending money for shaftmounted rockers, tall valve covers, and high end solid roller lifters for a solid roller set up, check out other members here, like Gray86hatch, that runs HR and making power, as well as running them on the street and long trips on the highway. His car runs low 9's all motor, and drives it to and from track events. It's all in a well thought out valvetrain working together as a whole. Gurus, like Brian @BTR, Martin@Tick, Ed@FTI, just to name a few, will tell you this.
This will be a huge help to me mostly for 1/2, 1km and mile work but it would also benefit over the 1/4 too.
I've had several camshafts over the past few years, and none have offered me the rpm's I want and very few dyno graphs I see anywhere make peak power close to 7k with almost any HR camshaft
There is no doubt HR can go fast, there is no doubt it is reliable on street. I'd say Ive went reasonably quickly in the areas where I race with the HR. But it has never given me the rpm's I need.
So I see a solid roller as the most likely option to give me that, which should hopefully make a huge difference once up around the 180-200mph region.
I already have the main components now anyway, just need the valvecovers and some springs.