Generation IV Internal Engine 2005-2014 LS2 | LS3 | LS7 | L92 | LS9

821 vs 823 Heads

Old May 25, 2015 | 09:22 AM
  #1  
IDLife's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
From: Cumming, Ga... this week.
Cool 821 vs 823 Heads

Forgive me if this has been covered before as I am certainly NEW to the LS-Scene with a 2013 Caprice PPV 9C1 L77.

In my removal of the L77 engine in my new-to-me car... I am learning the differences and similarities as I go.

This is thread for more info on the Caprice Build

I have noticed several LS3 casting 821 heads for sale, some ported or not... and aside from the lighter valves, is there any benefit to the 821 castings versus the 823 heads?

I am already removing the DOD and using a 2007 Corvette LS2 block for my rebuild... just trying to learn more about which legos to use in building another LS for my eventual twin-turbo build.

THANKS!!
Reply
Old May 25, 2015 | 09:33 AM
  #2  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

That's really the only difference between the two heads is the weight of the valves....
Reply
Old May 25, 2015 | 02:36 PM
  #3  
lil john's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,137
Likes: 2
From: Studewood/Acres-Homes TX.
Default

True Tuskyz, also the 821's have less meat, *Some porters don't like to go over 270'cc while the the 823's are good to around 280'cc.
Reply
Old May 25, 2015 | 04:08 PM
  #4  
flintwrench69's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 2,017
Likes: 4
From: Mt Morris, Michigan
Default

So which castings come with the lightweight valves?
Reply
Old May 25, 2015 | 04:36 PM
  #5  
Tuskyz28's Avatar
TECH Veteran
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 4,891
Likes: 703
From: Mississippi
Default

Originally Posted by flintwrench69
So which castings come with the lightweight valves?
821s.... LS3
Reply
Old May 25, 2015 | 04:50 PM
  #6  
flintwrench69's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 2,017
Likes: 4
From: Mt Morris, Michigan
Default

That's what I got, 821s. Mine aren't stock heads theyre GMPP heads.
Reply
Old Aug 1, 2016 | 07:39 PM
  #7  
locosmith's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
From: Dallas, TX
Default Valve seat angle

The 821 from the ls3 have 3 angle valve seats while the 823 have 2 angles only.

Again the 821 have lightweight valves.
Reply
Old Aug 1, 2016 | 07:47 PM
  #8  
KCS's Avatar
KCS
Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 8,859
Likes: 323
From: Conroe, TX
Default

Originally Posted by locosmith
The 821 from the ls3 have 3 angle valve seats while the 823 have 2 angles only.
Where did you get that info?
Reply
Old Aug 3, 2016 | 02:33 PM
  #9  
JimmyGTO's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 131
Likes: 1
From: Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by lil john
True Tuskyz, also the 821's have less meat, *Some porters don't like to go over 270'cc while the the 823's are good to around 280'cc.
Phil @ Advanced Inductions gave me a quote on the 280cc version on my #821 heads.
Reply
Old Aug 12, 2016 | 09:11 AM
  #10  
Frankenstein's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 293
Likes: 5
From: Texas
Default

We have seen no issues with thickness in the 823 vs the 821. Our port comes in at 282cc and the same cnc program is ran in both heads. The only heads that we have seen thickness issues with is the 5364.
Reply
Old Aug 19, 2016 | 01:53 PM
  #11  
gunter96ws6's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 271
Likes: 0
From: Mckinney, Tx
Default

Originally Posted by Frankenstein
We have seen no issues with thickness in the 823 vs the 821. Our port comes in at 282cc and the same cnc program is ran in both heads. The only heads that we have seen thickness issues with is the 5364.
What sort of issues are you having with the 5364's?
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2016 | 08:49 AM
  #12  
Frankenstein's Avatar
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 293
Likes: 5
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by gunter96ws6
What sort of issues are you having with the 5364's?
Only in a ported situation, with our port design we found that the 5364 does not have enough material in the floor of the exhaust port.
Reply
Old Aug 22, 2016 | 09:00 AM
  #13  
KCS's Avatar
KCS
Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 8,859
Likes: 323
From: Conroe, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Frankenstein
Only in a ported situation, with our port design we found that the 5364 does not have enough material in the floor of the exhaust port.
Good info, thanks.
Reply
Old Apr 28, 2017 | 03:47 PM
  #14  
LT1PWRD's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
From: Orange Co. New York
Default

Originally Posted by Frankenstein
We have seen no issues with thickness in the 823 vs the 821. Our port comes in at 282cc and the same cnc program is ran in both heads. The only heads that we have seen thickness issues with is the 5364.
which rect heads have the thickest decks? What do they check out at, similar to most cathedrals?
thanks
Reply
Old Mar 4, 2018 | 08:26 PM
  #15  
carmine lucchese's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 9
Likes: 1
Default

WRONG a lot of you guys need to Learn a little bit more about what you think you know just saying one has a Different angle cut race ready with Hollow stem titanium valves 3 angle back cut It weighs 90 g Also the exhaust valve weighs the same so they're balanced out and the other 1 just has a 2 angle cut A lot heavier but is designed for more torque application that's why it's in the truck And yes the 823 is a lot better after you add all the upgrades it flows a lot more there is more to port Special note do not get rid of the swirl ramp you'll only game 3 more horse power if that and lose a lot of torque plus create more drag I been porting for over 30 years and tons on the ls heads Also do not watch some dumb-*** on YouTube That can't give you any numbers or why you port heads a certain way from drag Port design port angles or anything you'll just mess your head up Remember if I can do it you can do it good luck guys
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2018 | 11:49 AM
  #16  
85Iroc's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 375
Likes: 12
From: Tn
Default

Can I buy some punctuation?
Old Mar 7, 2018 | 01:12 PM
  #17  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,288
Likes: 3,615
From: Central Cal.
Default

Originally Posted by 85Iroc
Can I buy some punctuation?
Probably not at this point..... lol
It pained me to read that too.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2018 | 06:44 PM
  #18  
RB04Av's Avatar
TECH Addict
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 2,147
Likes: 957
Default

Punctuation and capitalization are the difference between "I helped my uncle, Jack, off his horse", and ... something else.
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2018 | 07:41 PM
  #19  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,288
Likes: 3,615
From: Central Cal.
Default

Originally Posted by RB04Av
Punctuation and capitalization are the difference between "I helped my uncle, Jack, off his horse", and ... something else.
ROFLMAO!!! Oh yeah.....
Reply
Old Jul 6, 2021 | 11:55 PM
  #20  
mikebell72's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Frankenstein
We have seen no issues with thickness in the 823 vs the 821. Our port comes in at 282cc and the same cnc program is ran in both heads. The only heads that we have seen thickness issues with is the 5364.
how much for this port job ?
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:54 AM.