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Old Feb 29, 2016 | 08:14 PM
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I've always loved the Chevy 302 that came in the original z28. So I thought itd be cool to have a 302 ls. Kinda have a legend for displacement but power potential and reliability of an ls. The original 302 had a 4.00" bore and 3.00" stroke. I thought of starting with the ls2 since it already has the right bore. Does anybody know a good site to order a custom crank for the shortened stroke? And what else would be recomended?
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It's been done, not worth it for the cost. You can build a nice 408 and make twice the power for about the same price as a custom crank.
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Old Feb 29, 2016 | 08:32 PM
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Gotcha. What do those usually start as?
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Old Feb 29, 2016 | 09:46 PM
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Gotcha. What do those usually start as?
Custom cranks are usually billet, so you're looking at $3k minimum. You could probably still make a 302 out of a 4.8L crank, rods, and custom pistons, but again, it isn't very rewarding for the money and effort involved.
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It's been done, not worth it for the cost. You can build a nice 408......
It's all the same block. You can build a 408ci and 'say' it's a 302.....

We've had Impala/B-body guys destroke the LT1 to 327ci. Power was....disappointing, they didn't rev as hoped, and didn't they pull enough torque to allow for the car to get out of it's own way.

But hey.....at least they could 'say' they had a '327' under the hood.....

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The correct 3 inch stroke set up could easily rev 8K plus done right. Talk about rewarding!
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Originally Posted by Mappinsj
The correct 3 inch stroke set up could easily rev 8K plus done right.....
Intake.....airflow.....lots of limitations.

Originally Posted by KCS
It's been done, not worth it for the cost.......
Worth is an individual thing. But I know I wouldn't bother.

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Originally Posted by Mappinsj
The correct 3 inch stroke set up could easily rev 8K plus done right. Talk about rewarding!
So could a 4" or larger crank.
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Originally Posted by KCS
So could a 4" or larger crank.
Ls7 Block yeah or equivalent cylinder wall depth. Otherwise it's an engine that is pulling the skirt of the piston past the bottom of the sleeve and at 9k I don't want to be doing that!
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408 still make remarkable power all over for less than a 9 K spinning huge motor
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You can achieve the displacement by boring a 4.8 .060 over, and then you would just need custom pistons instead of a custom crank. However, you would not have the 4" bore and 3" stroke. You could still achieve the same oversquare setup with the 4.8 rods and crank in a 6.0 or 6.2 block. You wouldn't have the 302 cubic inches, but it would still be the same principle, and you wouldn't spend a ton of money doing it.

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We've had Impala/B-body guys destroke the LT1 to 327ci. Power was....disappointing, they didn't rev as hoped, and didn't they pull enough torque to allow for the car to get out of it's own way.

But hey.....at least they could 'say' they had a '327' under the hood.....

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You mean destroked to a 302, or did they put a 327 crank in the LT1?
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Originally Posted by Mappinsj
Ls7 Block yeah or equivalent cylinder wall depth. Otherwise it's an engine that is pulling the skirt of the piston past the bottom of the sleeve and at 9k I don't want to be doing that!
No one said anything about spinning a 4"+ crank to 8 or 9K RPMs.....

If the OP wants to go there, he should be able to do so with the right $et-up. I'm thinking he'll spend $10K-plus for a high-reving LSx, 302ci that may only make much power as a Gen1 302.

Unless you want to argue that a destroked LS engine will move enough air to take advantage of the LS(whatever) heads....

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I am not arguing that, the great part of the DZ302 was it's ability to rev 8+.

That's what makes it special. And if you want that on a big motor you're gonna pay
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
.....You mean destroked to a 302, or did they put a 327 crank in the LT1?
They short-stroked a 350ci LT1 to come up with a 327ci LTx....and the performance just wasn't there.

I think they used cranks from a 307ci to get to 327ci.

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Originally Posted by Mappinsj
I am not arguing that, the great part of the DZ302 was it's ability to rev 8+.

That's what makes it special. And if you want that on a big motor you're gonna pay
Nobody said anything about wanting 8K RPMs with a big motor. You're the only one bringing THAT into the picture.

OP wants a 302ci for what appears to be....nostalgia.

We're just letting him know of the cost involved and that there would be relatively little "power potential" with such a short stroke.

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I've always loved the Chevy 302 that came in the original z28. So I thought itd be cool to have a 302 ls......

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There is no point to build a 302 unless you're going to do what it was made to do.
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Originally Posted by Mappinsj
There is no point to build a 302 unless you're going to do what it was made to do.
Don't tell me......tell the OP.

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I did not quote you, I stated to the thread
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Originally Posted by mappinsj
i did not quote you, i stated to the thread
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Originally Posted by Mappinsj
Ls7 Block yeah or equivalent cylinder wall depth. Otherwise it's an engine that is pulling the skirt of the piston past the bottom of the sleeve and at 9k I don't want to be doing that!
It blows my mind that it's 2016 and there are still people who believe that nonsense.
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