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Old Jul 23, 2018 | 01:41 PM
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Hi everyone!
we built ls engine for my friend’s drift car.
Engine is 6.2 liter, cylinder block is cast iron, bored to 4.030, wiseco domed pistons, stock crankshaft. Cylinder heads are LS3, cnc ported, camshaft is 281lrr-hr13, holey short ram ebay replica manifold, 102mm throttle body, headers. Compression ratio is 10.5:1. Engine management is Link G4+ Storm ecu.
After dyno tuning we got 433whp and 407wtq. These numbers are pretty low compared to previuos engine I built, it was 6 liter with lq4 cylinder heads.

Engine has only top end power, the headers becoming glowing after few runs on dyno or track, I’m suspecting that cam timing is wrong, what do you think?

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What are the specs on the cam?
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Old Jul 23, 2018 | 01:47 PM
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What are the specs on the cam?
here are the specs: http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=1411&sb=2

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The link does not work. You don't know duration, lift, and LSA?
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Old Jul 23, 2018 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
The link does not work. You don't know duration, lift, and LSA?
LSA is 113
lift is 0.617 in. and 0.624 ex.
duration is 281in. and 297ex.
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Old Jul 23, 2018 | 03:21 PM
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Any datalogging done to show fueling, timing, etc?
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Old Jul 23, 2018 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Goga Samsonadze


LSA is 113
lift is 0.617 in. and 0.624 ex.
duration is 281in. and 297ex.
That's advertised duration. What about at .050" lift, where most cams are rated now days?
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Old Jul 23, 2018 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
That's advertised duration. What about at .050" lift, where most cams are rated now days?
231in. and 247ex.
unfortunately I dont have any logs, but tuner said that he did maximum for current configuration, but I can post fuel and ignition maps once I will reach the car
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
The link does not work. You don't know duration, lift, and LSA?
The link does work if you do a copy and paste.


Anyway.....Goga, did you dyno the car before the cam swap? Knowing where you were versus where you are NOW would tell you a lot more than simply looking at the current peak numbers.

Also.....that 10.5:1 compression ratio is low for a cam with that much duration. Ideally, I'd want to be around 11.2 to 11.5:1 with that cam.

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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 06:19 AM
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That power is low if it were a bolt on ls3.

You said that intake is a replica holley. I would take a close look at it for starters. Those intakes are for top end power. But at that power you have no power in general for what it is. Should easily go over 500whp if it's right.
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 01:17 PM
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Put a stock ls3 intake on it and you will find your missing torque. Ebay intake ???
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by farmington
Put a stock ls3 intake on it and you will find your missing torque. Ebay intake ???
^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^ A short runner intake does you no favors...
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
The link does work if you do a copy and paste.


Anyway.....Goga, did you dyno the car before the cam swap? Knowing where you were versus where you are NOW would tell you a lot more than simply looking at the current peak numbers.

Also.....that 10.5:1 compression ratio is low for a cam with that much duration. Ideally, I'd want to be around 11.2 to 11.5:1 with that cam.

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we built engine and go straight to dyno.. as for compression, when I was planning the engine, my point was 11-11.5 compression ratio, but we where on budget and could not get expensive custom pistons for such a compression ratio. all stock combo's we found where 10.5 or 12.5 which was a lot for us. so we end up with 10.5 compression ratio.

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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That power is low if it were a bolt on ls3.

You said that intake is a replica holley. I would take a close look at it for starters. Those intakes are for top end power. But at that power you have no power in general for what it is. Should easily go over 500whp if it's right.
yes, it is replica Holley short ram, yes they are for top end power, but we even don't have this power, that's the problem
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by farmington
Put a stock ls3 intake on it and you will find your missing torque. Ebay intake ???
my first thoughts where stock LS3 intake, it will give me some torque, but I feel there MUST be much more torque and power.... So, what about cam timing? Is it worth do deal with?



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The reason you don't have power is you have an engine designed for strong midrange and an intake designed for top end power ONLY. Get rid of that intake and put an LS3 unit on there.
Also, the cam you have needs more static compression to be at its best.
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
The reason you don't have power is you have an engine designed for strong midrange and an intake designed for top end power ONLY. Get rid of that intake and put an LS3 unit on there.
Also, the cam you have needs more static compression to be at its best.
only intake, and torque will jump up within 100 units?
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:27 PM
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Between intake and compression, you will gain a bunch of torque. 100#/ft? No telling.
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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Between intake and compression, you will gain a bunch of torque. 100#/ft? No telling.
So, I'm gonna start with intake first... Will try it and post here, thanks
By the way, what about headers becoming glowing red?
check the header pic at cylinder 5 spark plug wire

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Old Jul 25, 2018 | 02:57 PM
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If you want your headers to live a good life, get rid of the wrap. It's not proven to help anything, and the headers will corrode faster with it.
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