ERL 500 ls2 information needed.
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Staging Lane
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ERL 500 ls2 information needed. I have the opportunity to purchase a 500ci ERL super deck 2 ls2 for what I feel is a steal. story is it was ERL's 12:1 all motor test engine. was refreshed and hasn't been used since. Complete short block with camshaft in it of unknown specs. Made 900+ hp all motor with all pro heads. I've got a few bucks coming my way and plan on snatching this thing up. does anybody know for sure what style lifters are needed in this engine? Cam is currently solid roller, would rather have a low lash solid so may be changing it anyway but the cam will need sent off to be measured so I would know what I do have and can decide. It's a BBC base circle cam to btw. I've read soo much different stuff on what lifters these engines take and just want to clear the air. I'm looking for somebody that has some actual knowledge on these engines and not some he said she said blah blah. I'd contact ERL but unfortunately that's not possible seeing they closed shop. I know SAM Tech ran one of these so worst case I contact them and hope to get somebody who remembers. Thanks for any help guys!
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Staging Lane
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I had read were guys said they needed to have a longer body and then some other stuff that just listed a regular lifter. wanted to clarify so i know what im getting into.
I think the one issue is where are you going to get headers and will it clear hood and other areas (like steering column). That block is 1 inch taller than the regular LS motor with a deck height of 10.25 inches similar to a tall deck BBC. I do not know what shape your car is in but if the heads are off stack a bunch of washers under the head to simulate height and see what you might into. Also you need special manifold spacers which hopefully it comes with. I have the regular SD1 and no special lifters were required its just an LS2 block beefed up. Yours is the same with a 1 inch deck plate on top. You may think you are getting a deal until you have to spend a lot of $$$ to get it to fit. I like the idea of cubic inches and the nice rod ratio you have but you got to get it to fit first.
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I know a couple guys that went to SAM when they built the 500ci LS2 the first time around and had it in the black Camaro. The stock cam location with that much stroke is a headache for a builder, but there really weren't any tall deck blocks like that available back then. Now you have Dart and RHS with tall deck blocks with raised cam locations that don't require such compromises in the valvetrain.
I think once you get over 4.25 inch stroke it (cam location) does become an issue and I think the 500 was like a 4.5 inch stroke or more. You will have to weigh all the pro and cons of this set up and the overall cost/mods versus starting from scratch.
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Thanks everybody for the information. I don't think I will have any fitment issues other than headers. nobody makes a swap header anyways for the third gen that will go around the external slave cylinder I'm running. custom was going to be the path anyways. it has added cost to my build as far as heads etc. I was trying to sneak my stock hood back on with a 415in ls3 and a vic jr intake but I might as well sell that hood now haha
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One thing you might have an issue with do you have any brackets that straddle the block and heads in other words they bolt to both. On my C6 Corvette I can not remember but I think on alternator bracket 3 bolts go in head and other in the block. You can work around it I am sure but just another thing to look at.
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Staging Lane
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One thing you might have an issue with do you have any brackets that straddle the block and heads in other words they bolt to both. On my C6 Corvette I can not remember but I think on alternator bracket 3 bolts go in head and other in the block. You can work around it I am sure but just another thing to look at.
I have the opportunity to purchase a 500ci ERL super deck 2 ls2 for what I feel is a steal. story is it was ERL's 12:1 all motor test engine. was refreshed and hasn't been used since. Complete short block with camshaft in it of unknown specs. Made 900+ hp all motor with all pro heads. I've got a few bucks coming my way and plan on snatching this thing up. does anybody know for sure what style lifters are needed in this engine? Cam is currently solid roller, would rather have a low lash solid so may be changing it anyway but the cam will need sent off to be measured so I would know what I do have and can decide. It's a BBC base circle cam to btw. I've read soo much different stuff on what lifters these engines take and just want to clear the air. I'm looking for somebody that has some actual knowledge on these engines and not some he said she said blah blah. I'd contact ERL but unfortunately that's not possible seeing they closed shop. I know SAM Tech ran one of these so worst case I contact them and hope to get somebody who remembers. Thanks for any help guys!
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Idk..
there's only 2 *° sets of ls all pro heads.
(1 or the 2*)
C5r & ls 7 ....different #'s @ the end represent different casting hardness
12 - 2 = c5r regular normal aluminum 12 - 2 °4 = better thicker casting for forced induction....they have different ° last digits to rep hardness other than that it's 1 or the 2* valves may be moved slightly for bore spacing with either head ...nothing major!!!!!!
Quote : From bob ....all pro owner
(1 or the 2*)
C5r & ls 7 ....different #'s @ the end represent different casting hardness
12 - 2 = c5r regular normal aluminum 12 - 2 °4 = better thicker casting for forced induction....they have different ° last digits to rep hardness other than that it's 1 or the 2* valves may be moved slightly for bore spacing with either head ...nothing major!!!!!!
Quote : From bob ....all pro owner
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Ill have to reach out to allpro to see if anybody recalls the project with ERL. also all I know at this point about the lifter bore is that it is bushed for a solid lifter as far as clearance is concerned.
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No problem. Luv cylinder heads.
Here one also with bits of info i have ......
https://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/s...7#post71422607
Here one also with bits of info i have ......
https://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/s...7#post71422607
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Seen earlier a re•sleeve 5.3 with bushed lifter bores...Imagine this, a DOD block has the tabs or towers in the valley & no lifter windows...Zach's cuts the towers and adds lifter windows with (+) the 6th bolt tabs for 6 bolt heads.
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Was talking to the young man that comes by and helps time 2 time @ the shop...SAM student with the Lsx EMC build, PRI is coming up, Race Engine Challenge..etc with SAM. Asked about the SAM 500ci, he didn't know the specifics. New work shop 4 Zach next month...
60mm cam Journal is, Prettttty in a SB or Lsx. i would like 2 Finalize © deal on the Lsx 60mm Roller cam block...i've got plans, 60mm is a thing a of beauty.
60mm cam Journal is, Prettttty in a SB or Lsx. i would like 2 Finalize © deal on the Lsx 60mm Roller cam block...i've got plans, 60mm is a thing a of beauty.
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