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I talked to Eric about a 468 or 500 + ci with a CID intake... A young man has 1, but had some sort of set backs so test haven't been done yet., to Fully use what's available. Believe it was a 468. Thread I did about Eric and his larger 500+ combos on YB.
I wonder if it was tuning issues? Or maybe needed more trial n error with other components? I was torn between the Harrop ITB and PD CF crossram for my build. I liked that they were both different in appearance. It was a tough choice, but Mike, my builder convinced me the CF crossram was gnarly n would get it done and look good doing it. Cant lie tho, the additional cost are snoballing, wait til you see what we trying to make work for the dual CAI...think lambo/ferrari CF intake lids
I do think tuning was part of it. Especially on a stock ECU. Hiossilver been thinking the cross ram is the way for a while. Because two 90s > 1 102 or even a 125. Like you said costs grow fast when you go off the standard form factor.
darth i know you are ok with it but here were go again, starts off as a build thread, 25 posts in turns into you guys need to run a different intake.......not the first time second or third time this has happened recently. but since i know darth is ok with this honestly and he already has said what he needs to say (for now) im goona ask a couple questions.......none of which or being a smart ***
1) if the mamo msd is choking the heads so much, then how come the V3 heads picked up noticeable power over the v1 heads in that egg crate 427 build with no intake changes? i think there was a cam swap change so could be a little biased there so maybe not the best of comparison, but feel free to show me other N/A 427 builds making that kind of power smokey .......and yes im sure you will pull one out of your *** somewhere with some super duper intake but guess what, that intake may cost 4000 vs the mamo 1500. remember chasing value not numbers, we just happen to make numbers with out value
2) darth, i would assume the longer the runner the much much better street driveability a car will have.
darth i know you are ok with it but here were go again, starts off as a build thread, 25 posts in turns into you guys need to run a different intake.......not the first time second or third time this has happened recently. but since i know darth is ok with this honestly and he already has said what he needs to say (for now) im goona ask a couple questions.......none of which or being a smart ***
1) if the mamo msd is choking the heads so much, then how come the V3 heads picked up noticeable power over the v1 heads in that egg crate 427 build with no intake changes? i think there was a cam swap change so could be a little biased there so maybe not the best of comparison, but feel free to show me other N/A 427 builds making that kind of power smokey .......and yes im sure you will pull one out of your *** somewhere with some super duper intake but guess what, that intake may cost 4000 vs the mamo 1500. remember chasing value not numbers, we just happen to make numbers with out value
2) darth, i would assume the longer the runner the much much better street driveability a car will have.
I think (?) the longer runners do two things. 1. Help that column of air build velocity which helps to tame the cam by keeping more air moving in the right direction - or said differently, reduces reversion. 2. IF the runners are long enough vs the cross section, you can get laminar VS turbulent flow, which means even higher peak velocity.
If you have time, google the really long intake runners guys use to catch the second harmonic waves instead of the third or fourth. Big power and big rpm through really long runners. Really neat stuff. Problem is cramming it all under the hood.
On your first question I seen the same thing, which is why I know there is a big difference between the out of box msd and the Mamo one. I also wonder sometimes if the cam is part of that too. More cam means more power typically. Tony cams are moderate. Mine and a a ron builds are not moderate cams. So it will be interesting.
Lastly there is more to airflow than just cross section. There is also pressure differential. Higher differential, greater the flow. If the newer port design changes pressure characteristics you can flow more (or less) through the same tube. If that makes sense the way I said it.
All BS ...why reference and say you've got 415 cfm then turn around and sell a ported intake that still cuts the person's throat. Added what in the hell is a Version 2 needed 4 and 99.9 % of his buyers are low profile street guys. He wants to do something contact or get a intake made so you can put 420 cfm to the piston. Anything other than that is BS.
Any and all other porters have a intake and head package. Other's use carb style intakes which can handle the 400+ cfm. He sells to you guys so he needs to figure out something...design a damn low profile intake to match his 420cfm v2 or v1 heads. FED,LME, CID, Mast,Dart, All Pro have intakes made for there head package that can provide what's seen from the heads. Although carb style. He caters to who...so he should do a intake àlso. Why would I even listen to someone who tells me he has a 420 cfm then say use my ported intake that flows 380 cfm. MF'er I lost 40 cfm f'ing with you. No nonsense Tolerance. I think most just like using the name and Dyno. My take on things and Mamo. Hell what he's doing we call a hand job. Bowls,SSR, v/j. Dude on YB has 410+ without the name and TFS ls7 heads.
Smoke, you said it best when you said “My take on things and Mamo.”
Every time a Mamo build pops up, you get critical and even sound angry. I’m not hating, just stating what I see. Tony’s heads work. I have a set and speak truth. As far as intakes go...you know the answer. Don’t blame the intake, blame the hood, or the vehicle. In a perfect world, a CID would fit in a Vette and an F-body, but they don’t. Tony is utilizing the best flowing (number producing) intake that he can, that he can sell. He’s prolly never sold more than a dozen CID’s because they just don’t fit in anything. They work...they just don’t fit. I’ve said it before on here, and I’ll say it again...SOMEBODY...ANYBODY...make a DBW 4500 TB, and I’ll order a CID intake today, and ship it to Tony tomorrow to have it port matched. I’ve got crazy room in my big ole Chevelle, but I run DBW Mast electronics. But until then, my Mamo ported MSD works pretty well for what I And most folks here do, which is street.
Shoot...you should design an intake that fits. You’d be a zillionaire. You’ve made cylinder heads, should be simple for you. There’s a market for it, for sure.
Just sent brother a PM from his pm. If you want and need something you gotta speak up or do something. Not just sit on your hands. I like Mamo heads...same CNC he's doing I'd just have my guy do a hand job and larger intake valve just like he did...Call it Rowdy 2.0 (Darin & I spoke on it about the Lsx block wks ago) Point is when I had or have a head made It Will always get what's seen with the intake on what it sees with it off or as close to it as possible. No other way from what I was taught and told. If he being Tony Mamo can design a AFR head he can do a intake. He's selling heads he talks about now a Version 2.0 that's even better. Yet not thought about how the intake is hampering his great product. I get it....he likes using others parts he's ported. Bump that. This what I speak of is for you all. Not me I give 2 pennies less about a hood or stealth mode. CID can provide. This is 4 You all! I want u guys to get all that your able to get still in stealth mode. 400 cfm low profile intake needed. If BTR can make 1...Y not Mamo. I think higher of people who have the resources. I don't even have resources Just good people who I know do Damn good work. And honestly I shouldn't even be doing this $$$$ reasons..But I was raised building engines and I kinda like it.
Last edited by Smokey B; Sep 21, 2019 at 01:18 PM.
Totally get it what your saying Smokey, but in life, everything is a compromise. Sometimes that last lil bit of juice isnt worth the squeeze! How ever, that does not mean whats in the glass already was a total waste of time. Chevelle n Floorman both said it right. It doesnt mean you are wrong. Also doesnt mean Mr. Mamo is not resourceful niether. He prolly isnt down to invest time n energy into a product only 5% of the masses will want.
I own n operate a small hvac company in nj...quite often we are blessed n lucky enough to do spectacular mcmansions...12,000 sqft dwellings etc. I like the challenge n love showing my skillz! But at the end of the day, im a business man, n if you have a model that works-run with it. You can keep the high effeciency energy star open concept custom homes, i ll take the existing 80% furnace/3ton ac changeout in uncle ricks run down condo all day long! Done in 6hrs n paid same day. Just sayin.
Rkupon1..anything can be done if you want it bad enough. I damn sure didn't need ls7 heads(had or got ls3's fully loaded) and they said they won't fit 4.125 bore needed. Funny brother... I just want you guys to get what's talked about to the piston. Racer 101 just in stealth mode & not with a tall carb style intake. It's all luv!
On the intake 99* did a simple intake flow test with Ls3 heads if I'm not mistaking. Ok. Take the same information and think of a 400cfm + head, you can only port so far and there's 390 cfm Ls3 heads available. Gives a general idea of what's lost due to the intake.
Goodies starting to arrive. Cam card says 1.7 RR, but actually using 1.8. Gross lift will be .747/.729. Nice looking lobe profile too. As high as that lift is, it won't be too abusive.
Goodies starting to arrive. Cam card says 1.7 RR, but actually using 1.8. Gross lift will be .747/.729. Nice looking lobe profile too. As high as that lift is, it won't be too abusive.
Looking good Darth.
Did you end up getting the morel or crane axle oiled lifters?
I like the Gapemaker.
Reminds me of a vagina for some reason.
Damn that is some high lift.
Do they heads flow at that lift?
Looking good Darth.
Did you end up getting the morel or crane axle oiled lifters?
I like the Gapemaker.
Reminds me of a vagina for some reason.
Damn that is some high lift.
Do they heads flow at that lift?
Thanks, mate!
I"m not sure which make they are, but I bought through cam motion. Likely the cranes. The heads reach their target flow (for me) at 700 lift, and do not stall until 800 lift. The real reason I wanted 750 lift was for duration at 700 lift to be more than an instant. I'm planning to run about .002 lash cold to slightly reduce seat to seat timing without impacting 050 timing. This should make for decent vacuum even with a monster cam. This thing is going to BARK at idle. Might have to name the exhaust note "Window Breaker"
.......and yes im sure you will pull one out of your *** somewhere with some super duper intake but guess what, that intake may cost 4000 vs the mamo 1500. remember chasing value not numbers, we just happen to make numbers with out value
