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Old 10-24-2019, 05:41 PM
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Did you change injectors?
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Originally Posted by leblanc1
I'm definitely concerned about the pushrod length as I was having some issues getting good measurements at first, but then I felt I got it good. I measured pushrods using the measuring tool to zero lash then added the .030 preload per the lifter mfr instructions. Will a compression check verify if my valves aren't fully seating?

Correct, the head builder I went to used 2.200 on a 4.0 bore LS2. Are there concerns with this?
A leak down test will expose any valve sealing issues. Compression test may/may not. Easier way to check, loosen the rockers a bit and see if it will start up and idle. Don't run it long, but it can show you if you are going in the right directional.

Regarding the heads, which heads did you put on?
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So how many times have you started it, and have you actual driven it? Are you sure this isn't just the normal PCM relearning that happens when it's been disconnected for awhile? That usually takes just one drive to go back to normal.
Driving isn't really an option when it can't even idle.
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
Did you change injectors?
Negative, injectors are same as previous.
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This sounds like something else changed besides the heads. Fueling would be off at higher RPMs as the heads will let in more air (we assume).

I'm not quite sure why you went with a 2.200" intake in a 4" bore motor. That is a different issue, however.

What you're describing sounds like a stock tune was added back to the PCM for some reason or new injectors swapped in.
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Originally Posted by DualQuadDave
A leak down test will expose any valve sealing issues. Compression test may/may not. Easier way to check, loosen the rockers a bit and see if it will start up and idle. Don't run it long, but it can show you if you are going in the right directional.

Regarding the heads, which heads did you put on?
Leak down test will be coming soon. I did a compression test and it's about the same as it was before teardown.

Heads were custom built locally by a guy name Santos at Engine One Performance in Phoenix. He gets his heads from his supplier and does all the machine work in house.
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It's just kind of suspicious that the MAP value in both cases is pretty much the same as where a stock MAP sensor maxes out....
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
This sounds like something else changed besides the heads. Fueling would be off at higher RPMs as the heads will let in more air (we assume).

I'm not quite sure why you went with a 2.200" intake in a 4" bore motor. That is a different issue, however.

What you're describing sounds like a stock tune was added back to the PCM for some reason or new injectors swapped in.
The things that changed were heads, valves, push rods and lifters...that's literally it.

I went with the suggestion of my performance guy here. I can't speak to the why or why not with a 4" bore motor. Please enlighten me.

The computer wasn't touched and I have no way to interface with it and the injectors are the same.
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It's just kind of suspicious that the MAP value in both cases is pretty much the same as where a stock MAP sensor maxes out....
As far as I know, it is a stock MAP sensor and always has been previously.
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Originally Posted by QwkTrip
What MAP sensor are you using?

And do you know what is the fuel pressure at the fuel rail?

Is one of those channels the injector duty cycle? I'm not very familiar with the factory stuff (Holley EFI user)
It's a stock MAP sensor.

I haven't measured fuel pressure yet.

I don't know if the scanner I have is pulling injector duty cycle data.
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I've never had a supercharged engine, don't know anything about them. But what are the odds of MAP being exactly 29.8 psi every time the engine is run? The supercharger can't even build boost free revving, right? Engine will run pig rich if the MAP is false high reading.

On a side note, your coolant channel isn't going up in temp as you run the engine. Acting like the sensor is in air (coolant level really low).

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Originally Posted by QwkTrip
I've never had a supercharged engine, don't know anything about them. But what are the odds of MAP being exactly 29.8 psi every time the engine is run? The supercharger can't even build boost free revving, right? Engine will run pig rich if the MAP is false high reading.

On a side note, your coolant channel isn't going up in temp as you run the engine. Acting like the sensor is in air (coolant level really low).
Coolant temp isn't going up because it was only run for about 45 seconds. I didn't feel comfortable keeping it running for too long because something is obviously not right.
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My engine would climb from 80F to 120F pretty darn fast. Just sayin' you might want to make sure the cooling system is burped. But that's just a side topic from your immediate problem.
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Originally Posted by QwkTrip
My engine would climb from 80F to 120F pretty darn fast. Just sayin' you might want to make sure the cooling system is burped. But that's just a side topic from your immediate problem.
Of course.
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Map reading doesn't seem right at all, Are you running a MAF? It's reading zero and an unplugged/bad maf will give the same symptoms your having.
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Originally Posted by LLLosingit
Map reading doesn't seem right at all, Are you running a MAF? It's reading zero and an unplugged/bad maf will give the same symptoms your having.
I mentioned it previously, it's speed density tuned...no MAF.
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Originally Posted by leblanc1
I mentioned it previously, it's speed density tuned...no MAF.

I went back to the first post and must have missed it, The heads may make a difference but nothing severe. Will the scanner let you check the MAP reading without the car running? Being that it reads PSI it's obviously wrong 28.9 PSI at 600rpm and 2,000rpms If the computer is seeing that number it's going to add a ton of fuel.

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Forgive me if I missed the information OP, your heads are 243/799s? More than likely 2.02" intake valves. Do you know if the heads were milled and what head gaskets were used. Did compression change?
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Originally Posted by LLLosingit
I went back to the first post and must have missed it, The heads may make a difference but nothing severe. Will the scanner let you check the MAP reading without the car running? Being that it reads PSI it's obviously wrong 28.9 PSI at 600rpm and 2,000rpms If the computer is seeing that number it's going to add a ton of fuel.
You raise a very good point. Current Phoenix baro pressure is 30.16, which is 14.81 psi. I won't be able to test the MAP until tomorrow unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by LaBLKv6Z
Forgive me if I missed the information OP, your heads are 243/799s? More than likely 2.02" intake valves. Do you know if the heads were milled and what head gaskets were used. Did compression change?
The heads are 243. And yes, I grossly misspoke earlier about the valve size. 2.020 intake and 1.600 exhaust.

I'm not the machinist...but he told me he calculated the head gasket thickness I needed to maintain stock compression. I installed Cometic gaskets, 4.060 bore and .045 thickness.


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