Rup I see you have MAST 285 heads....Best in the business....Seen a lot of heads....they beat 99 % in real world ....Cams to small. You need to clean this thread up of the BS! Then I could just send the thread to others...Like Darin who works at Mast!

I'd erase this thread and start a new one with the specs list and the basic need for 800. This thread is trashed! Believe Me..I've had over .......threads trashed because of indifference. But it's cool if some don't like facts!

You got to much going on...you list your own build on someone's else's thread...come on Rup!

#1 Cam is a pussycat's cam...Lift my friend .725 to .800! I gave you a cam duration reference. ..

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Then we can test your theory in intake choice....I know what your heads flow...can the intake match it? @ 700 lift can each runner supply right @ 400 cfm. I can now ask Darin where to go from this as we know your heads and intake. The Million $ is can it feed the Beast? Erase the the thread start over. Start it like a typical thread with what's gotten and wants or thoughts of what's wanted. No one I'd send this to would want to read through all the BS or a non professional / civilian @ home bulider.

 

Fucked up part is you thought one way about me ...... LMAO!

U could call Mast and make a friend in Darin or clean it up with another thread or just send me your info/spec's in a pm and I'd copy it and text it to Darin?
Your choice?
Ramair ? I hear crickets coming from u 😁

 

Smokey, he made this thread because you junked up Bortous thread. How ironic of you😂

 

Talk about pot meet kettle

 

Most of the post in here are smokey as well. What will another thread actually do?

 

It was fucked up by the time I got here. Only 1 person came who didn't have any doubts about what was said or asked...and others trying to equate it up. I'm here trying to help not argue about something Already known just not to the people here. Most to all professional engine builders know this and lot have done what's asked.
There's a difference between a Professional who does it for a living Vs a group who are good people yet still civilian builders. I deal with the 1st part of the statement... There's no doubt when done this way vs Here say from a forum of civilian builders.

 

I pm d you my ACTUAL build thread link. Its in the first post here too. All my specs are there. I cant help the community jumping in. That was the idea. I didnt think this community would put me on the offensive over an intakes cost, but hey, is what it is. Im at peace with it. Besides, theres tons of good info in here to. Im guilty aswell, i ve been derailing everyones threads lately. I regret even argueing over petty crap in your EMC thread that got locked. My build thread is all pics and specs. Send it to him. I believe my goals will be easily met. I started out just wanting to know what my intake is capable of since theres so little info n comparisons out there on it. I figured it d make good conversations.

 

I got u! As I said I've had so many threads messed up I honestly don't care. Reason I don't post on all the threads I could. Then there it goes with the Trolling and back forth bickering. I'm way past it but do like getting under the skin of those Who just Don't know What I've asked and know from Professional guys who do it in there sleep.

Cam is your #1 thing then you'd need to actually see if the intake runner has enough cross section and getting the taper correct. I just sent Bortous a PM, ask him does this sound correct from what's read in the pm from a professional.


Just between me and u B....who loves u baby ...Kojack.

 

I ve been talking with Darth about going solid roller n possibly alil more cam. Thing is, i spent 4yrs building my car from the ground up. Literally. Im so close to getting it running and driving. Im not tearing the motor back out just yet. I wanna see what its like as it is and how much it makes at the tire as it sits. I m pretty sure Denmah is gunna tune it for me.
I relay n channel alot of info from here to my builder. He may not be an engine masters winner, but he knows ls platforms. He spent years working at Cartek, n still knows people in the business. Including Cary (ETP) from the old days prior to Mast. Heis a good friend of mine since doing two motors(boosted ls2, and my RHS427). He talks me out of 90% of my thoughts, as he says "your getting into racecar territory". Ever try throwing down 7500rpms in town or on the highway with over 700hp on tap in a 3200lb. car? He said its scary. My car will never see the track, EVER. Street tires for life! Built it for my own reasons...bcuz i can, n dont mind spending money when i want to. Did i need an RHS block-No, did I need a $5500 intake-No, did i need such a massive wilwood set up-No, did i need such a robust ford 9"-No, did I need a jakes stg4 4l80e with transbrake-No, did i need to run holley dominator for this NA build-No. But screw it-YOLO. BILLS are paid, money in the bank, time for some fun. Please leave me alone about any money concerns people. Now that thats all outta the way, lets get to brass tax. Aftr speaking with my friend/builder, he s advising me if i want or need to go solid roller, id have to pull the motor n bush the block for the lifters. Obviously a few other things in the top end will change. But i can re use my Jesel shaft mount rockers which werent cheap either. Honestly, our originally plan was talldeck RHS460ci, mast 305 heads, and a killer solid roller set up. Still using this intake bcuz i like it!!! It woulda been approx another 8k more n prolly another 100hp. In the end, he beggd me to go drive in a 600hp NA car first n see if i liked it. Doesnt mean we arent upgrading later on anyways.

 

I myself am very excited to see how this intake does.

 

My tuner did a 468 lsx with a low lash solid roller and mast 305cc heads.
He used the fast 102 intake with long runners.
Made 380rwkw but the torque production was insane.
At any rpm it was just so strong.
Still spinning the tyres above 70mph.
Cam was a 252/264 .680 .680 114lsa +4.
Nothing too crazy.

 

When he asked me my goals, i said drive anywhere n everywhere! Be able to light up the tires on a 50mph roll on. End of story. I believe in him n this build should do exactly that. I ve learned alot in last 6months on this site alone. Even my builder applauds me for educating myself further. Altho, when i ask questions n compare notes from some of your builds, he gets that HERE WE GO AGAIN LOOK, and YOU REALLY HATE YOUR SAVINGS ACCOUNT! Lol. Biggest problem is defining whats streetsble and reliable. He gave me this build as a platform to base everything off of from here on out. With plenty of room to grow. I dont know shyt bout hot NA builds. Nor have i ever been in a 500rwhp NA car. Had a pretty nice gen 2 fully built whippled ford lightning. It ran low 10s, heavy turd but fun to drive. Couldnt keep a tranny in it! Got tired of sorry *** builders, tuners, and excuses. Sold it n decided, next build id do more myself n become educated. Than i switched it up to NA with you fine folks. Its alot to take in

 

Same here. Been watching it for quite awhile.

 

You want to talk about lighting up the tires on a 50 roll. Lol

You will more likely end up closer to 600 rwhp NA. That is more going sideways on the interstate at 80 in third. Ask how I know.... have to run Hoosier QTP full time.

 

You will spin those street ties above 70mph. I had 295x45x17 Mickey Thompson drag radials and at 65mph I hit it in 2nd with my 4l80 and jumped to the other lane. My car is heavy and still done that.
. I think getting it running as you have it is a great idea and see just what it feels like to have a big cube na motor that instantly comes alive is like.

the tq you will have with that motor and that intake is going to be insane in the streets. On street tires is just taking that to another level.

smokey im not hating brother, just seemed ironic for you to want to clean up a thread man. You post good stuff but you repeat it in 100 different ways and threads is all .

 

Dude what you want me to Say? My times and horsepower are all in my signature. Sleeved block by RED finally gave up the ghost after almost 10 years of abuse on spray. Sent it back to Steve and he laughed and asked me if I really thought it was gonna live forever. It was toast as when pressurized leaked coolant out of the bottom of the liners. So I went and built exactly what I had only stronger since I knew I wanted to spray it down again. It's a 440 big bore big stroke on 13:1 on corn. Went with the Dart LS Next skirted aluminum block and bought the best heads out there the Mast Black label 305cc's. I know, I know, choked it all down with a Mamo MSD but like most on the site i'm just not ready to cut up my 27,000 actual miled WS6 quite yet! Still has the ice cold a/c and all the creature comforts so its a pig at the track at 3800 race weight with me in it. The time in my signature is all the old parts on a 200 shot. I guarantee I will be in the 8's this season. This thing is a sleeper and if you pulled up on me you'd be in for a good fight. : )

 

Very good thought process and well planned out idea's. You could do the woulda coulda shoulda's all day long but just get it going and see what you like. Your gonna always want more....ALWAYS!!

 

I agree that you should get it running how it is and see if you'll still want or need more power down the road especially since your not chasing track slips. My 434 in my Chevelle makes less power than what you'll have in a smaller car and I haven't been able to put it down in the streets. Having a big cube NA motor with street tires feels like ice skating.

 

Rup it's good and some bad....not really...With a runner that long at over 12 inches from the back of the valve to the intake plenum .... ..here's the obstacle. More compression ... And you need to get with Straub for cam'ing He did Cdubbzz cam. Your runner is going to Need a special cam with a runner @ over 12 inches length. Chris Straub call needed .... I know the advertised duration, but that's for a 4500 * 5 inch runner CID intake. Around what I've said may times for 800. Your going to need more. ...cam to fill the runner just as much..Call Chris needed, again you'll need more compression also with the longer runner length to help. Also the Diameter of the intake runner @ the plenum & head face is needed??? Just doing the math or what PipeMax does....You've got to know the inlet and exit diameter of the runner to even know if it can supply the demand. We know the length @ 12.5 inches not including the head runner length to the back of the valve....