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Old Nov 18, 2022 | 06:04 PM
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I don’t have any info for the files but my tuner is very reputable around here. He tuned it for the Holley TB. I’ll try to get with him when I get back next week and see if he can get me some info.
I’ve seen this twice on two different vehicles. Both had a Holley TB. Holley had a big run of mis-matched air feed holes for the IAC circuit. We tried new IAC’s…same as you…with no improvement. Both times we bought a new Nick Williams TB and it was instantly fixed. Google Holley TB IAC issues. You’ll see what I’m talking about. The NW TB is pricey, but you’ll practically tear up when you hear it run right again. Priceless…

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Old Nov 18, 2022 | 10:36 PM
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I’ve seen this twice on two different vehicles. Both had a Holley TB. Holley had a big run of mis-matched air feed holes for the IAC circuit. We tried new IAC’s…same as you…with no improvement. Both times we bought a new Nick Williams TB and it was instantly fixed. Goog Holley TB IAC issues. You’ll see what I’m talking about. The NW TB is pricey, but you’ll practically tear up when you hear it run right again. Priceless…
First post says he had a Nick Williams and the first tuner couldn't figure it out and he drove 60k miles with it and the surging problem.
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 08:04 AM
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I would do a smoke test to see where air is getting in.
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Old Nov 22, 2022 | 05:04 PM
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I would do a smoke test to see where air is getting in.
First post says second tuner smoke tested it.
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Old Nov 24, 2022 | 04:29 PM
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That surge is tune related. You can hear the IAC open when the rpm jumps.
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Old Nov 24, 2022 | 09:22 PM
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That surge is tune related. You can hear the IAC open when the rpm jumps.
You certainly can. Exact scenario I had with the Holley TB. Tune did nothing to help, as it was the TB itself at fault.
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Old Nov 28, 2022 | 09:57 PM
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You certainly can. Exact scenario I had with the Holley TB. Tune did nothing to help, as it was the TB itself at fault.
I think I’m going to find an old stock TB and see what happens.
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Old Nov 29, 2022 | 07:04 PM
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I think I’m going to find an old stock TB and see what happens.
Keep us posted please.
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
Keep us posted please.
Quick update…installed a factory TB on a stock LS6 intake and still no change in the surge. Also, went ahead and swapped out the TPS and it seems to not be as bad of a surge but it’s still a problem. It may just be me looking for hope. I called another tuner today and told him the issue. He said that he actually has seen this from this tuner. He said he could get it fixed so fingers crossed he will get it lined out.
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Old Jan 11, 2023 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by smokdya
Quick update…installed a factory TB on a stock LS6 intake and still no change in the surge. Also, went ahead and swapped out the TPS and it seems to not be as bad of a surge but it’s still a problem. It may just be me looking for hope. I called another tuner today and told him the issue. He said that he actually has seen this from this tuner. He said he could get it fixed so fingers crossed he will get it lined out.
If the tune is off, no TB will correct the idle surge. I’ve found idle surge associated with rich idle and too much ignition timing at idle…when everything mechanical is up to par. It’s a simple fix if it’s the tune.
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Old Jan 11, 2023 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
If the tune is off, no TB will correct the idle surge. I’ve found idle surge associated with rich idle and too much ignition timing at idle…when everything mechanical is up to par. It’s a simple fix if it’s the tune.
That’s good to know. Too bad y’all don’t live closer. It’s hard to find somebody around here that knows what’s going on. It is definitely running rich. Hopefully the next guy gets it. He seemed pretty sure about the issue and said it was an easy fix too. I’ll post an update next week.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Che70velle
I’ve seen this twice on two different vehicles. Both had a Holley TB. Holley had a big run of mis-matched air feed holes for the IAC circuit. We tried new IAC’s…same as you…with no improvement. Both times we bought a new Nick Williams TB and it was instantly fixed. Google Holley TB IAC issues. You’ll see what I’m talking about. The NW TB is pricey, but you’ll practically tear up when you hear it run right again. Priceless…
well you were right. I felt a tear. Took it to another tuner and he had it finished in a few hours. When I heard her start and idle, that did it. I learned that when somebody says they know what they are doing and they have a dyno, that mean’s absolutely nothing. Thanks everyone for all of the help and offering lots of suggestions I’d never even thought about!
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 02:22 PM
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same story a million times. everyone that paid a few hundred bucks for a hpt or holley class thinks theyre the next steve petty or austin coil.
glad you got it fixed.
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 04:38 PM
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So, what did the tuner find as the problem[s]?
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Old Jan 19, 2023 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Buzzard
So, what did the tuner find as the problem?


He didn’t bring up any abnormal problems. He said it was no issues when he tuned it other than needing an O2 sensor. He didn’t drill the TB or anything. He said he’s had other cars from the other tuner, and the guy just doesn’t know how to tune a stock pcm. Now I’m on to the next project. Been having too much fun in it, and I just blew the ring gear. Yay me!!
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