LS7 a 7.0L
10-25-2004, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Killer_Bluebird
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1. Release a LS2 GTO next year along with the 6.4L Z06 and wait to see how the market reacts slating the 7.0L Z06 for the following year.
1. Release a LS2 GTO next year along with the 6.4L Z06 and wait to see how the market reacts slating the 7.0L Z06 for the following year.
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10-26-2004, 03:08 PM
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I agree that it would be pointless to cast 7.0L into the block if it wasnt going to be a production piece. My guess is the 6.4L GTO was made a 6.4L for a few reasons. Reason 1 being that it equals ~389 C.I (vintage), and it also keeps the corvette on top by simply switching the rotating assembly.
10-26-2004, 06:09 PM
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I took about 60 pics of the CTS's and enignes, but these were the only ones that had anything of real interest. 
BTW, look at this pic again:
Some of you have probably already noticed this, but you can see the cam sensor between the water pump and the balancer. It's just one more thing that says "gen 4." Also, the motor plate/timing cover that they used is just too cool looking. The dry sump isn't half bad either.
BTW, look at this pic again:
Some of you have probably already noticed this, but you can see the cam sensor between the water pump and the balancer. It's just one more thing that says "gen 4." Also, the motor plate/timing cover that they used is just too cool looking. The dry sump isn't half bad either.
10-26-2004, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by black_z
I agree that it would be pointless to cast 7.0L into the block if it wasnt going to be a production piece. My guess is the 6.4L GTO was made a 6.4L for a few reasons. Reason 1 being that it equals ~389 C.I (vintage), and it also keeps the corvette on top by simply switching the rotating assembly.
!!!! I don't know wheather i should but the motor and put it in my car or just buy a new zo6? 
10-26-2004, 07:44 PM
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Keep in mind the 500HP 6.4L GTO concept car which was a 389 (ala 64 GTO) had a rather large (like bigger than a Grand Am cam) cam to make 500/500.
That combo would not even be close to emission compliant....
That combo would not even be close to emission compliant....
10-26-2004, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Killer_Bluebird
This is my speculative .02 It's clear that GM has a 7.0L block ready and stout enought to run in competition. Why would GM release a all new 6.4L Z06 Corvette ($50,000++) and also a 6.4L GTO (30,000+). GM has always been very protective of the Corvette. They always underrated the Camaro and Firebird for that same reason. To me it sounds that GM can do 1 of 2 things depending on market conditions.
1. Release a LS2 GTO next year along with the 6.4L Z06 and wait to see how the market reacts slating the 7.0L Z06 for the following year.
2. The C5 and GTO get a 6.4L next year and Z06 gets the 7.0L engine.
Seing GM previous decisions I'm leaning towards the first option.
Please do dot flame me this is just my observation and are not based on any real facts as I have not done any research on the subject.
1. Release a LS2 GTO next year along with the 6.4L Z06 and wait to see how the market reacts slating the 7.0L Z06 for the following year.
2. The C5 and GTO get a 6.4L next year and Z06 gets the 7.0L engine.
Seing GM previous decisions I'm leaning towards the first option.
Please do dot flame me this is just my observation and are not based on any real facts as I have not done any research on the subject.
its already been said that 06 or 07 will bring the return of either a camaro or chevelle( i bet chevelle)
6.4 L c6, chevelle,GTO
and a 7.0 liter ZO6, chevelle SS, AND JUDGE ( uses nestalgia from GM's days of old to help sell the cars.. last time the 3 cars were produced together the 427 option in the cars dominated the muscle/sports car world.. maybe GM wants to dominate again?? and they are using the 6.4 rumor to throw ford off till after the new mustang was fully developed with its little mod motor...
One can always hope.. If a GTO JUDGE or chevelle SS option comes around with a 427 i'm trading the t/a in
10-26-2004, 11:48 PM
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Let say the Z06 is a 7L, and in 2007 they have a Chevelle/Camaro and the GTO. You forget GM's plan which is $$$$$$$$. There is no way that GM would put the engine of a $60,000 car in a $40,000. That would be shooting themselves in the foot. Now i know people say that there are vette guys that will buy the Z06 just because. Then there are people like me that could afford either, and as a smart motor head, if all three has the 7L, i would buy say a Camaro which im sure will be de-tuned somehow; throw in a cam and exhaust and maybe a pair of head and **** all over a z06 just like i did with my ss now. Spent half as much and after the car is done i should be well into the 11's for less then 40,000. it may not be a vette but i love these older guys that know dick about cars and try to race me with there z06 and i pull on them (not much but hey ill take what i can get).
10-27-2004, 03:33 AM
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10-27-2004, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PG45
There is no way that GM would put the engine of a $60,000 car in a $40,000. That would be shooting themselves in the foot. ).
where do you think the motor in your car came from
10-27-2004, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PG45
Let say the Z06 is a 7L, and in 2007 they have a Chevelle/Camaro and the GTO. You forget GM's plan which is $$$$$$$$. There is no way that GM would put the engine of a $60,000 car in a $40,000. That would be shooting themselves in the foot.
If my memory serves me well, the 97 C5s were quoted a 345hp, and the 98 fbodies were "quoted" at 325. Other than that, they were the same.
10-27-2004, 07:56 AM
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If Louis says its a 7.0L, then its a 7.0L, damnit! 
Besides, with all the anticipation for the new ZO6 you have to admit that anything but a 427 would be a disappointment at this point. At least for me it would be - don't care if they were wringing 500 out of a 6.4L - the potential and, frankly, the marketing value of the "427" is just too much to ignore.
Besides, with all the anticipation for the new ZO6 you have to admit that anything but a 427 would be a disappointment at this point. At least for me it would be - don't care if they were wringing 500 out of a 6.4L - the potential and, frankly, the marketing value of the "427" is just too much to ignore.
10-27-2004, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Automag928
LOL '97 C5s were the first year with the LS1...'98 Fbodies were the first year with the LS1...I think there is a pattern here If my memory serves me well, the 97 C5s were quoted a 345hp, and the 98 fbodies were "quoted" at 325. Other than that, they were the same.
If my memory serves me well, the 97 C5s were quoted a 345hp, and the 98 fbodies were "quoted" at 325. Other than that, they were the same.
10-27-2004, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by LSONE
uh, gm is putting the what, $55,000 c6 engine into the $30,000 gto. when the c5 was new they put the ls1 in the ta and camaro. see the pattern?
10-27-2004, 08:51 AM
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A couple of points.
Louis knows what he knows from being around it all the time over the last year. The other folks I know have seen things in person. As I have said before there is a lot more I could say, but can't. But, if what I consider "information of intrest" is posted publically on this site or others. I may take the opportunity to post a link to it...
My understanding is the new "musclecar" (which is supposed to be very,very trick looking) will have another motor which has already been developed (for several years now in fact). Its based on the LS motor but is not any of the displacements you have seen being publically discussed.
Louis knows what he knows from being around it all the time over the last year. The other folks I know have seen things in person. As I have said before there is a lot more I could say, but can't. But, if what I consider "information of intrest" is posted publically on this site or others. I may take the opportunity to post a link to it...
My understanding is the new "musclecar" (which is supposed to be very,very trick looking) will have another motor which has already been developed (for several years now in fact). Its based on the LS motor but is not any of the displacements you have seen being publically discussed.
10-27-2004, 10:21 AM
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As far as the engine making it into other vehicles, lets not forget that the LS7 is supposed to be hand built at the new GM performance facility. So I doubt that it makes it into other cars. Now a production line variant of the motor, I can certainly see that happening.
10-27-2004, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 99C5JA
As far as the engine making it into other vehicles, lets not forget that the LS7 is supposed to be hand built at the new GM performance facility. So I doubt that it makes it into other cars. Now a production line variant of the motor, I can certainly see that happening.
10-27-2004, 10:48 AM
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It Better Be A 7.0L With 600 Bhp New Bmw M5 5.5l V10 And 550hp
Amg Benz With 5.5l 469-496bhp
Viper 8.3l V10 505 Bhp
Next Bmw M3 4.0l 400bhp
When You Can Buy 4 Door Sedan With 500+ Hp Cheverlot Needs To Really Set The Z07 Up As Their "super Car" Especially For $60k.
Common GM Step Up!!!!!
Amg Benz With 5.5l 469-496bhp
Viper 8.3l V10 505 Bhp
Next Bmw M3 4.0l 400bhp
When You Can Buy 4 Door Sedan With 500+ Hp Cheverlot Needs To Really Set The Z07 Up As Their "super Car" Especially For $60k.
Common GM Step Up!!!!!