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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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I was wondering what you guys thought about a

246/252 114+2 .669/.649

How much power would I get going to a 112+2? I am toying with the 114 in case I spray a shot on it later.

I will be using the morel lifters, and the LS7 top end.

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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:25 PM
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sounds like a good combination, but i might even go larger lke 250 + duration, i am running a 254 266 640 lift in my 408, with AFR 225's, i put down 550 rwhp 501 rwtq, drive's nice on the street with a speed density tune, i would think with your extra cubes, and bad-*** flowing heads you could pretty big i and make huge power
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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With that much duration, I'd stick with the 114 LCA, spray or no.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MadBill
With that much duration, I'd stick with the 114 LCA, spray or no.
Any reasoning? Driveability? 112 should make more power and provide a little extra overlap for the poor exaust flow of the LS7 heads. Just wondering cause I plan on much more duration and a much tighter LSA.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 12:12 AM
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Lately I'm thinking exhaust doesn't mean squat I mean, it does, to a point, but I think its all intake.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RyneZ06
sounds like a good combination, but i might even go larger lke 250 + duration, i am running a 254 266 640 lift in my 408, with AFR 225's, i put down 550 rwhp 501 rwtq, drive's nice on the street with a speed density tune, i would think with your extra cubes, and bad-*** flowing heads you could pretty big i and make huge power
Ryne...who made your cam?
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 12:15 AM
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go witha 256/264 .650/.662 on a 113
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I dont know if all that duration is 'needed' since these heads flow so much. RPM's will be the limiting factor...the intake peters out over 7k.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Greg Fell
Ryne...who made your cam?
comp custom, xer lobes
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Originally Posted by eric01ss
go witha 256/264 .650/.662 on a 113
i have a cam similar to this in my garage if anybody wants to buy it $ 250
same duration, 646 int 646 ext. 112 lsa, comp xer lobes
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 11:21 AM
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I would think that you need a lot more duration on the exhaust side. Chevrolet didn't create a 40° difference on the stage II HOT cam "just because". Granted I think this is overkill because I believe GM was bogged down in their R&D due to the stock exhaust manifolds and CATs, however, compare all of the LSX cams and I think you see a trend.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 11:41 AM
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not trying to hijack about how about a 250/257 .620/.620 on a 112+2. would a 110LSA +2 be out of the question.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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you ever consider something like a high 230's cam? (like a 236/238 115) great heads, small cam= great drivability, and pretty damn good power!
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 12:36 PM
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I had thought about a 243/250 114+2...dunno, I think I'd miss the lope. I have a 248/248 110+2 now.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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Hey Greg how lopey is your setup now?
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Beast96Z
Any reasoning? Driveability? 112 should make more power and provide a little extra overlap for the poor exaust flow of the LS7 heads. Just wondering cause I plan on much more duration and a much tighter LSA.
The LCAs bantered about here are usually being applied to 220-230 @ 0.050" lobes. As you increase the duration, narrow LCAs open the intake too early, causing heavy exhaust reversion. Big overlaps only work at high RPM with well-tuned open exhaust. The late IVC of a wide LCA, long duration intake adds top end power without the exhaust contamination, rotten idle and tuning issues.
On the exhaust side, the wide LCA means an earlier EVO, to help dump the extra gas volume from the nitrous.
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sent you a pm madbill.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 02:41 PM
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Right now, it lopes fairly good.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MadBill
The LCAs bantered about here are usually being applied to 220-230 @ 0.050" lobes. As you increase the duration, narrow LCAs open the intake too early, causing heavy exhaust reversion. Big overlaps only work at high RPM with well-tuned open exhaust. The late IVC of a wide LCA, long duration intake adds top end power without the exhaust contamination, rotten idle and tuning issues.
On the exhaust side, the wide LCA means an earlier EVO, to help dump the extra gas volume from the nitrous.
Ok, so your saying that a increase into the larger duration means that you should widen the LSA to keep reversion about the same as it was with a 220-230 degree cam? Thus meaning that you will gain mostly on the top end since your IVC is now later. Seems like more of a draw back due to the intake to me. I believe the ID throttle body intakes take care of most of the above mentioned problems you listed. I was planning on running a 259/263 .663/.663 106 LSA+4 . My reasoning behind this is that I want to keep the IVC early to keep DCR up and increase power in the 3-5k range, but still have a good pull up to 7k. If the reversion is kept to it's own cylinder with a ID TB intake, will it reduce the problems you listed before or should I look into something diffrent?


Originally Posted by RyneZ06
i am running a 254 266 640 lift in my 408, comp custom, xer lobes
I'm not sure who you got your cam from or who told you they were XE-R's, but comp does not make a XE-R lobe over 248* or .615" lift". I tried several times to get comp to grind me one bigger than the 248*, but they said that they phisically could not make it happen in that profile. I'd be interested in seeing the advertised duration and the lobe part number for those lobes if you have the cam card.
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Old Jan 29, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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IMHO if you have a poor flowing exhaust port the last thing you want is a tight lsa cam with a delayed opening of the exhaust valve. I think events are vary important to the equation and must be considered as one of the many things to making the car optimal. For instance, I wouldn't be running a single pattern cam on something which had e/i ratios of 60% or so, unless it was on a high lsa with a very good intake side (port, intake, throttlebody/carb, etc.).

Is the original cam suggested a hydraulic setup? Are those the lsk lobes? With some ls7 heads that sounds like a real good deal to me if the valve train can control those lobes. Good luck!
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