Warhawk Answers
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BurnOut,
Thanks for the kind words. No need to explain your parts choice - the beauty is you can mix and match as time and budget permits. Uh, our current marketing strategy has not yet embraced TRADE as a sound business practice - but we appreciate ANY purchase of our stuff.
The project certainly has been intense and we're not at the end of the tunnel yet. We're busting a$$ to get there and we will see how events unfold over the next eight weeks. We want desperately to satisfy the anticipation you folks have shown since SEMA last year and ask your patience for a little longer. As stated before, the stuff won't disappoint.
We'll keep you informed.
Regards,
Thanks for the kind words. No need to explain your parts choice - the beauty is you can mix and match as time and budget permits. Uh, our current marketing strategy has not yet embraced TRADE as a sound business practice - but we appreciate ANY purchase of our stuff.
The project certainly has been intense and we're not at the end of the tunnel yet. We're busting a$$ to get there and we will see how events unfold over the next eight weeks. We want desperately to satisfy the anticipation you folks have shown since SEMA last year and ask your patience for a little longer. As stated before, the stuff won't disappoint.
We'll keep you informed.
Regards,
Booooo.... 
J/K.
Glad to hear stuff is coming along well. I'm looking forward to seeing how these come out once they hit production. Should make for some great leaps in the GenIII/IV performance world for sure.
...now if I can just get you to send me one of those pre-production engines... I won't tell a soul...
J/K.Glad to hear stuff is coming along well. I'm looking forward to seeing how these come out once they hit production. Should make for some great leaps in the GenIII/IV performance world for sure.
...now if I can just get you to send me one of those pre-production engines... I won't tell a soul...
Can we get more information on these short blocks, or are these short blocks offered through an external company to World Products (The line between World & Bill Mitchell is kind of fuzzy). Will there be a Standard Deck Short Block offered? I am looking into the possibility of a Kenne Bell 2.6L twin screw on a Warhawk engine, and I'm not sure how well a tall deck would work (fitment in a TA and spacers).
Thanks
http://www.theengineshop.com/pdfs/warhawk.pdf
Thanks
http://www.theengineshop.com/pdfs/warhawk.pdf
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CHUNT,
We have a 4.500" on hand and also have the CAD data for one on screen. Our block was designed wider internally than OEM, but we must examine all possible issues.
Takes time.
If 481 mocks-up well, we'll build it.
We have a 4.500" on hand and also have the CAD data for one on screen. Our block was designed wider internally than OEM, but we must examine all possible issues.
Takes time.
If 481 mocks-up well, we'll build it.
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Can't wait. Do we have a "money burning a hole in your pocket" smiley? I was leaning toward going with a LS2 stroker but kept telling myself to hold off a little while.
I'm glad I did. Once I get this Engine built it will be time for some forced induction, traction limited fun !
I'm glad I did. Once I get this Engine built it will be time for some forced induction, traction limited fun !
I must have missed the specs for this block some were. Can you let us know what you expect the max bore will be, the max stroke, also what deck heigths are you planning on biulding (vrs factory deck height). Also, will this block be like the factory in minumal over boring? Will there be some kind of resleeving abilities? Will you offer cam height differences for supper long strokes?
I would like to know more about the planned final product.
Thanks, Scott.
I would like to know more about the planned final product.
Thanks, Scott.
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Originally Posted by Texas_WS6
I must have missed the specs for this block some were. Can you let us know what you expect the max bore will be, the max stroke, also what deck heigths are you planning on biulding (vrs factory deck height). Also, will this block be like the factory in minumal over boring? Will there be some kind of resleeving abilities? Will you offer cam height differences for supper long strokes?
I would like to know more about the planned final product.
Thanks, Scott.
I would like to know more about the planned final product.
Thanks, Scott.
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JUGGER AND SPELL
We don't at this time know the limits of the castings. Like the beer and booze vendors say "Drink responsibly" - not - "Drink 'til ya drop"
I can tell you that Warhawk was designed by the two same guys that designed the aluminum Merlins we have in service that, for instance, see three or four seasons (without cracks or shifting) use in blown marine apps at the 2200 HP level. That's LAPS, not drag racing. No block filler either.
At some level, one can break anything by repeatedly increasing boost.
Be mindful of the fact that we build for a variety of uses. Drag, road race, marine, pulling and sand racers. All of which get hit with spray or boost (or both!) on a regular basis.
To be clear, I'm NOT saying the Warhawk will take 2200 - only that our guys know how to design and tool for those levels.
For you, Spell, the knock sensors locate on the block sides in the second-design OE LS1 location. We don't think harness extensions will be needed.
Hope this helps and thanks for asking.
We don't at this time know the limits of the castings. Like the beer and booze vendors say "Drink responsibly" - not - "Drink 'til ya drop"
I can tell you that Warhawk was designed by the two same guys that designed the aluminum Merlins we have in service that, for instance, see three or four seasons (without cracks or shifting) use in blown marine apps at the 2200 HP level. That's LAPS, not drag racing. No block filler either.
At some level, one can break anything by repeatedly increasing boost.
Be mindful of the fact that we build for a variety of uses. Drag, road race, marine, pulling and sand racers. All of which get hit with spray or boost (or both!) on a regular basis.
To be clear, I'm NOT saying the Warhawk will take 2200 - only that our guys know how to design and tool for those levels.
For you, Spell, the knock sensors locate on the block sides in the second-design OE LS1 location. We don't think harness extensions will be needed.
Hope this helps and thanks for asking.
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What about a hardware kit for this engine? I know the front and rear covers are special to the Warhawk block but what about all the hardware? It would be nice if ARP got on board with this project and came up with a "total engine hardware package" so we didn't have to use the OEM crap for the covers... Just a thought.
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Dune,
It's a good thought. However, ARP is on board at this time for the major fasteners. Mains and head stud kits (which are specific to our longer-reach design) are all ARP and are available from us. Not, at this time the F & R covers. I don't know if ARP has plans for a "total engine h'ware package". We haven't discussed that with them because we're not building complete engines at this time.
It's a good thought. However, ARP is on board at this time for the major fasteners. Mains and head stud kits (which are specific to our longer-reach design) are all ARP and are available from us. Not, at this time the F & R covers. I don't know if ARP has plans for a "total engine h'ware package". We haven't discussed that with them because we're not building complete engines at this time.
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Pumba,
We've designed Warhawk to improve on some of the issues experienced by C5R. Balloning was one of those with .070" sleeves and a .170" thick block support structure around the sleeves. Our sleeves are .100" with .300" block structure.
So technically, yes you can bore our block .060", but that gets you back to a .070" thick sleeve. Will the sleeve fail? We don't think so, especially with the improved block support - but at this point, we prefer our conservative bore size.
We are exploring a 4.5" crank which, with 4.125" bore will yield 481". If you try the .060" over, and the 4.5" stroke works, you have a 495.
Good luck,
We've designed Warhawk to improve on some of the issues experienced by C5R. Balloning was one of those with .070" sleeves and a .170" thick block support structure around the sleeves. Our sleeves are .100" with .300" block structure.
So technically, yes you can bore our block .060", but that gets you back to a .070" thick sleeve. Will the sleeve fail? We don't think so, especially with the improved block support - but at this point, we prefer our conservative bore size.
We are exploring a 4.5" crank which, with 4.125" bore will yield 481". If you try the .060" over, and the 4.5" stroke works, you have a 495.
Good luck,
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confusion I am confused. I spoke to The Engine Shop Wed. about the Web site which shows several 481 shortblocks for sale. I was told it would now be the end of the year. The guy I talked to didn't know anything about the 481 on their site. I asked about a low comp. shortblock for FI & was told "none of our engines are intended for blowers".
I went to the website and in the little header paragraph is said CR would be 11.4. Then down below that where they had the PNs, they all said "Low comp" so yeah I'm confused too.
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web site When I asked about the low-comp. option listed & was told their low comp was 10.6. I said thats awful high for a blower & thats when the guy on the phone said"none of our engines are made for supercharger use". Almost forgot to ask,will the Warhawk fit a C-5 without anything(like the extra head-bolts) hitting? Will the 9.8 deck block fit?
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