SStrokerAce

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All I want to know is where is the secret cam specs boo hoo smiley at?

Bret

67camaro

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what did everyone expect? 650 rwhp through a 4400 stall and 22 inch rims? theyre $800 heads from a truck, c'mon guys. i think the thing that caught most peoples attention was the value, not some rediculous dyno sheet. i wouldnt mind if you deleted the thread WKMCD...congrtats to everyone involved in the build. one more satisfied customer.

White_Hawk

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I agree totally. Why would you want L92 heads for $800 and a complete intake for $500 when you could spend $3500 on AFR's with a FAST 90 and get the same thing. What are people thinking!

-Geoff (Resident Cheap Bastard)

Wnts2Go10O

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i think youre looking for

Beaflag VonRathburg

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First off I didn't really have a problem with you not sharing the cam specs until this crap. I also have a problem with how you responded to everyone. Ultimately what you seem to be doing (which is clear to me), seems like bullshit. LS1Tech, my guess is that the tech part in the name means technical as in technical information.

Here's my question for you and seeing as how it isn't some secret cam spec here it is. Are you a sponsor for this board? No, you're not. You do not provide any money on this sight to advertise at all. By posting threads like this with no technical data you're basically advertising for free. This thread is basically Bret Bauer gave me what I wanted so you should go give him your business and let him build your car.

Yes, it is. They're plenty of people on here that are extremely well educated in cam selection, PatrickG and PredatorZ for example. They help people out here all the time with calculations and don't ask for a penny.

I joined this sight with almost zero knowledge of gen III and IV engines. I know that I've used this sight to research all sorts of technical data and develop my interest. According to you I'm a moron and without morons like me you'd have no business.

That's a real contribution to the site, thanks. It's about as helpful as you bashing TSP's l92 heads and not saying why. All that does is just make you sound like an ******* who's upset because someone might put out a better product than you. It also goes back to my point of you just using this place to leach business away from paying sponsors. TSP's heads suck, but I won't tell you why, come buy mine.

That's why people want to know about the specs. These specs will give people a general idea of what makes the power, or what idles well, what's drivable, what makes the most average power, etc. That's especially important in something so new like this. You're basically holding back the whole development of this new technology because you see that it might hurt you're market. What if on the other hand what you released helped spawn off something even better that you could then contribute to and develop, thus returning the market to you?

That's my point exactly, Bret Bauer isn't a sponsor! I'm not saying he deserves to be kicked off, but **** like this is pointless. This thread contains no technical data. All it is is a thread for one of Bret Bauer's customers to say how great his car is and say go to Bret, he got me what I wanted. All it does it drum up business for a nonsponsor who's leaching off of this site and providing nothing (as of this thread) in return. Not to mention the other thread with actual technical knowledge that we could all look back on was deleted and replaced with this crap.

Here's a prime example:
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Yahtzee!

I refer you to your own post earlier.

Yeah, you answered all the questions. Then deleted the answers only to post this bullshit.

You ever read your own sig?

So why don't you practice what you preach instead of posting useless garbage like this?

What should happen here is this thread should be locked and the other one if at all possible reopened. That one actually contained useful information. All this one is is a big adverstisement for Bret Bauer.

Beaflag VonRathburg

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Now that's some funny ****, the new smilies at work.

I know it's not a smily, but the answer to the cam specs most obviously seems to be:

machinistone

Glad to hear you are happy with the L92 combo, I figured it would be a big success. My guess would be that this motor makes awesome flat torque all the way across the powerband, which is how I would build it. Flat torque, not peak horsepower is what makes a happy streetcar.

Congrats to all those involved in this project, and shame on you other's acting like 5 year old kids on the playground.

The only people that would benefit from having cam specs released are those in the market of selling cams...with how few of these combo's there are out there giving away your recipe is a dumb move, and I agree with their choice to with-hold that information.

Bink

Quik

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you had the wrong cam and wrong size headers, also a bad 02 sensor, theres alot ot be said about your combo

RGKSR

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As you can see, my panties are bunched up waiting for the video!

Kevin,

Congrats on a project that is working out. I'm happy that you got what you wanted.

Bob K.

2c5s

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First off I didn't really have a problem with you not sharing the cam specs until this crap. I also have a problem with how you responded to everyone. Ultimately what you seem to be doing (which is clear to me), seems like bullshit. LS1Tech, my guess is that the tech part in the name means technical as in technical information.


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
LOL now that's funny, you CAN'T share your opinion on a sponsors products if you have a educated opinion, so why should someone give out free info???? There is no way that this place is a FREE sharing of information and opinions and never will be if anyone is paying to "sponsor" here.



Here's my question for you and seeing as how it isn't some secret cam spec here it is. Are you a sponsor for this board? No, you're not. You do not provide any money on this sight to advertise at all. By posting threads like this with no technical data you're basically advertising for free. This thread is basically Bret Bauer gave me what I wanted so you should go give him your business and let him build your car.


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
So using this forum for free R&D by getting free cam specs is ok?



Yes, it is. They're plenty of people on here that are extremely well educated in cam selection, PatrickG and PredatorZ for example. They help people out here all the time with calculations and don't ask for a penny.


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Anyone who uses this place for free R&D is a moron, period.



I joined this sight with almost zero knowledge of gen III and IV engines. I know that I've used this sight to research all sorts of technical data and develop my interest. According to you I'm a moron and without morons like me you'd have no business.


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
We could do like we did before and just give out bogus specs and you would all eat it up as gospel, nobody says that doesn't happen a lot.



That's a real contribution to the site, thanks. It's about as helpful as you bashing TSP's l92 heads and not saying why. All that does is just make you sound like an ******* who's upset because someone might put out a better product than you. It also goes back to my point of you just using this place to leach business away from paying sponsors. TSP's heads suck, but I won't tell you why, come buy mine.


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
This place is an anomaly in the world of engines, where cam specs matter more than performance or engine output not to mention the average torque output, idle quality and drivabily.

Bret



That's why people want to know about the specs. These specs will give people a general idea of what makes the power, or what idles well, what's drivable, what makes the most average power, etc. That's especially important in something so new like this. You're basically holding back the whole development of this new technology because you see that it might hurt you're market. What if on the other hand what you released helped spawn off something even better that you could then contribute to and develop, thus returning the market to you?


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Originally Posted by Good Doctor
Agreed, but saying a vendor (who by definition PAYS the administration of the site to provide all of us with the information we all read on a daily basis) deserves to be kicked off the site because they are protecting their own intellectual property should not be ignored.



That's my point exactly, Bret Bauer isn't a sponsor! I'm not saying he deserves to be kicked off, but **** like this is pointless. This thread contains no technical data. All it is is a thread for one of Bret Bauer's customers to say how great his car is and say go to Bret, he got me what I wanted. All it does it drum up business for a nonsponsor who's leaching off of this site and providing nothing (as of this thread) in return. Not to mention the other thread with actual technical knowledge that we could all look back on was deleted and replaced with this crap.

Here's a prime example:

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Originally Posted by brianz
I know I have learned from his sharing of information. I may have to contact Bret and pay him to design a cam for the specific needs I want from my motor. Mine requirements would be different then most on this site because I am building my car for more road coarse and auto-x usage.



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Originally Posted by Blue02Ws6
If you wanted this to be for just you and didnt want all the questions and requests, why the hell did you post it step by step for the whole forum to witness and see? Delete this thread and don't start anymore since no one but you paid for this setup and it is all yours. Oh wait how can you get attention then though.



Yahtzee!


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Originally Posted by WKMCD
Never said I minded questions and request and I've answered every one but one. Let's see, people learned about the bad intake, fuel rail problems, injector issues, how much was milled to get to the compression we wanted. I've answered questions about the valves and valve springs, valve drop, head gaskets for the L92 heads, and a host of other issues that we encountered on the build - good and bad.



I refer you to your own post earlier.


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Originally Posted by WKMCD
I deleted the first one after it took the same BS turn this one did. I think SOME people are starting to "get it".



Yeah, you answered all the questions. Then deleted the answers only to post this bullshit.


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
Yep it's all about arrogance.



You ever read your own sig?


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Originally Posted by SStrokerAce
"Without question, the most common mistake in racing is to buy parts impulsively without having a clear vision of where you want to end up. The result is often a pile of mismatched pieces that will never work together properly." - David Reher



So why don't you practice what you preach instead of posting useless garbage like this?

What should happen here is this thread should be locked and the other one if at all possible reopened. That one actually contained useful information. All this one is is a big adverstisement for Bret Bauer.







Well said, in addition, the only results that this secret bauer cam works is from an assometer. No dyno and no e.t.'s. If you saw any of bauers previous posts on what he "thinks" will work with these heads, it's no secret on the cam specs. As a matter of fact, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, this is the first cam he's spec'd for the L92's...... Why is it everyone thinks he hit a homerun first time out??? Just because some guy going from a 346 to 400+ engine is mesmorized by the TQ. Duh......... I'm sure it makes a ton of power over your old 346, it should, it's not by accident, nor is it the secret cam or heads. If you ask 10 cam grinders to spec you a cam, you're going to get 10 different recipes, are they all wrong? No, and I'm sure they will most likely all be in the ballpark, all the engines will make power and the grinders will error on the more conservative side, knowing damn well most people are idiots when it comes to cam choice.

Bauer does make a good point, it's time to start hitting the books or whatever and learn this stuff instead of relying on pompus, passive aggressive mystical cam guru's.
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hokie

Here is a video of the car that "Willfulone" (a friend of WKMCD) made.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...onster4022.flv

Can't wait to see numbers. Congrats on the build Kevin

02sierraz71_5.3

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is this a teaser trailor wheres the real vid with him gettin on it
sounds good

BTW: Ive been watching this thread http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...1521569&page=7
for weeks glad everything worked out.

Beast96Z

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I'll reinerate my earlier post. Ya'll are still argueing about nothing. This post has no information in it whatsoever. If they don't want to dyno to even see what the power looks like, then continue to let them slap each other on butt for a job well done, to them. The only let down to the is whole ordeal, is that people have been waiting on results from the L92 combo. WKMCD has been talking about this combo for well over a month now, but when it's finally done, he does nothing with it. Do I care, not really, but it is a bit dissapointing. You talk about the money spent, but how many other 408 guys post up there specs/HP levels? I guarunte that I've spent 3-4 times as much of my hard earned money on my combo and I don't mind telling cam specs or dyno numbers. If there was info in the other thread that could be of value to consumers using the L92 combo, I vote for that thread to be opened back up and this one to be closed. This is nothing more than a thhread to let us know you have a running car, well, so do thousands of other F-body owners. Not trying to be a dick, but that's the bottom line.

SideStep

JakeFusion

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Patrick G

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Tech has dried up on this thread. JakeFusion put it best. It's time to start a new thread once there are some technical results from an L92/L76 conversion.