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build a 408 or buy one?
Ok, I'm retarded. 402 is LS2.
Man, I still think in terms of small and big block chevy. They built the same motor forever, then started spitting out new engines left and right. I'll get it eventually.
Man, I still think in terms of small and big block chevy. They built the same motor forever, then started spitting out new engines left and right. I'll get it eventually.
By the way, since I accidentally hijacked your thread, I'm gonna buy a crate motor. The shops that I trusted to build me a 350 for some reason I don't trust to build an LSX. Paranoia maybe.
Now I just have to figure out which stroker I need.
Now I just have to figure out which stroker I need.
413 Ls2 / Lq9 @ Sdpc We now have the pistons in stock to build an iron or aluminum 413. They are the same price as the 402 and you eliminate the chance of having a cylinder crack from over boring it since we use a 4.005" piston and 4.100 stoke crank.
Iron 413 - $3549.95
Aluminum 413 - $4349.95
Iron 413 - $3549.95
Aluminum 413 - $4349.95
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Originally Posted by troopercar
How much more does the iron short block weigh than aluminum?
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this was my thread..I ordered a shortblock from TSP and long blocked it my self...got it all don tonight and went to start it up and my damn battery is DEAD!!... 
....o'well its on charge gess I'll try it tomm LOL!!!
....o'well its on charge gess I'll try it tomm LOL!!! 
what heads & cam are you running? 
damn damn jason... nice one lol... i asked thomas if you had it in yet he said he didnt know.. i guess we will be stopping by this weekend... caleb(gold ta) gets his done fri..
Originally Posted by bg-sdpc
We now have the pistons in stock to build an iron or aluminum 413. They are the same price as the 402 and you eliminate the chance of having a cylinder crack from over boring it since we use a 4.005" piston and 4.100 stoke crank.
Iron 413 - $3549.95
Aluminum 413 - $4349.95
Iron 413 - $3549.95
Aluminum 413 - $4349.95
Originally Posted by N4cer
Yeah but the additional crank throw creates issues of itself. It's not fair to skim over the potential oil consumption issues, as well as the undersquare factor.
We addressed that issue before we ever started building the longer stroke engines. We use special ring packs that controls the oil better than the standard ring packs. We also use a smaller ring stack on the super long arm cranks to make sure there are no oiling issues.
So far we have had no oil burners with any of the El Toro engines.
Originally Posted by bg-sdpc
We addressed that issue before we ever started building the longer stroke engines. We use special ring packs that controls the oil better than the standard ring packs. We also use a smaller ring stack on the super long arm cranks to make sure there are no oiling issues.
So far we have had no oil burners with any of the El Toro engines.
So far we have had no oil burners with any of the El Toro engines.
So you think it's BETTER to be undersquare? Years upon years of drag racing history show otherwise and that the same cubes made with more bore instead of more stroke is more efficient and makes more power. But you are going against that?
Not trying to be argumentative. But you came into the discussion thread with an advertisement and left out some factors as if they don't exist. Nothing wrong with advertising, but I don't think it's very honest of you to present one side of the story and not the other. The nice guy role is great, but a nice guy presents an entire story. So it would be more like this:
"Even though nobody is having issues with an iron 408ci engine with a 4.030" bore and 4" stroke, we have an option. It has a few more cubes but probably won't make any more power since it's made with more stroke than bore. Now in theory the excess bore will allow the cylinder walls to distort. But in reality nobody is having that issue. But if you think you'll make more power than anybody in the history of the iron 408, we have a great alternative for you."
Not trying to be argumentative. But you came into the discussion thread with an advertisement and left out some factors as if they don't exist. Nothing wrong with advertising, but I don't think it's very honest of you to present one side of the story and not the other. The nice guy role is great, but a nice guy presents an entire story. So it would be more like this:
"Even though nobody is having issues with an iron 408ci engine with a 4.030" bore and 4" stroke, we have an option. It has a few more cubes but probably won't make any more power since it's made with more stroke than bore. Now in theory the excess bore will allow the cylinder walls to distort. But in reality nobody is having that issue. But if you think you'll make more power than anybody in the history of the iron 408, we have a great alternative for you."
So you can agree that right now in professional racing teams are making more power than ever. One example is in IHRA Pro Stock: They are the fastest NA cars in the world running 800 + cubic inch power plants which are obtained by using 5.75 stroke and 4.75 bore. So in a time when race teams are agreeably making more power than ever, why are they running so much more stroke than bore, if the other method makes more power more efficiently?
Not to be argumentative, but alot of the "perfect square" hype that people are reading on the internet is just that....hype.
As for the potential oil consumption concerns: Numerous reputable builders around here have agreed that with the right ring package, a 4.1" stroke on these engines is not a problem.
Not to be argumentative, but alot of the "perfect square" hype that people are reading on the internet is just that....hype.
As for the potential oil consumption concerns: Numerous reputable builders around here have agreed that with the right ring package, a 4.1" stroke on these engines is not a problem.