My LSX 454 Buildup (Pics in side) & Tips I learned along they way!
#23
The engine looks good
#25
^ That sucks.
What decision made you decide to go with gas ports? I've talked to couple piston manufacturers and they all talked me out of it. I've noticed recently that most of the LSX builds I see are using those very same pistons with gas ports.
What I got from piston manufacturers and local shop owners.
Pros:
-Reduced ring flutter
-Better oil control
-More power
Cons:
-Drastically reduced ring life
-Gas ports will plug over time especially in a street motor
What decision made you decide to go with gas ports? I've talked to couple piston manufacturers and they all talked me out of it. I've noticed recently that most of the LSX builds I see are using those very same pistons with gas ports.
What I got from piston manufacturers and local shop owners.
Pros:
-Reduced ring flutter
-Better oil control
-More power
Cons:
-Drastically reduced ring life
-Gas ports will plug over time especially in a street motor
Hey I asked Jermey At MPH to answer that question, As I have know idea What your talking about!!
Drastically reduced ring life ?? Wow thats sounds great can anyone else tell me if thats true??
What is a Gas port??
#26
# Not recommended with blowers, dyke rings, or in endurance motors.
# Top gas ports not recommended for street or other applications where carbon will fill them up.
They are the little pin holes in the top (verticle) and side by the rings (lateral) of the piston.
#28
just out of curiosity - if i was to drop my SS off at a shop and say - LSX 454 it, i'll be back after lunch, do you think they'd detail it while they had it? LOL
no, - but serious - i'm more of a drop it off pick it up go fast kinda guy these days - what's it gonna cost me to drop it off and get a lsx454 done for me? just curious - ball park figure if anyone has an idea
no, - but serious - i'm more of a drop it off pick it up go fast kinda guy these days - what's it gonna cost me to drop it off and get a lsx454 done for me? just curious - ball park figure if anyone has an idea
#30
Your build/parts list shows,
"Wiseco 4.187” custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports & tool steel pins".
I believe this type of gas porting is a series of radial channels milled into the upper portion of the top ring land and if that's the case you may not be able to see them when the short block is assembled.
D.J.
"Wiseco 4.187” custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports & tool steel pins".
I believe this type of gas porting is a series of radial channels milled into the upper portion of the top ring land and if that's the case you may not be able to see them when the short block is assembled.
D.J.
Last edited by OneQuickCoupe; 10-05-2007 at 06:15 AM.
#31
just out of curiosity - if i was to drop my SS off at a shop and say - LSX 454 it, i'll be back after lunch, do you think they'd detail it while they had it? LOL
no, - but serious - i'm more of a drop it off pick it up go fast kinda guy these days - what's it gonna cost me to drop it off and get a lsx454 done for me? just curious - ball park figure if anyone has an idea
no, - but serious - i'm more of a drop it off pick it up go fast kinda guy these days - what's it gonna cost me to drop it off and get a lsx454 done for me? just curious - ball park figure if anyone has an idea
#33
If you can get that, you need to start buying as many as you can and selling them. What kind of heads are on these motors you are talking about???
#34
#35
Let's do a little math here.
Shortblock $6200
Heads $1700
Cam $350
Intake $250
Timing Chain$100
Injectors $400
That is 9K right there and there is no labor.
Not calling you a liar at all. I would just question the quality of the engine at that price.
Fast, reliable, cheap. You can only pick 2.
Shortblock $6200
Heads $1700
Cam $350
Intake $250
Timing Chain$100
Injectors $400
That is 9K right there and there is no labor.
Not calling you a liar at all. I would just question the quality of the engine at that price.
Fast, reliable, cheap. You can only pick 2.
#36
Let's do a little math here.
Shortblock $6200
Heads $1700
Cam $350
Intake $250
Timing Chain$100
Injectors $400
That is 9K right there and there is no labor.
Not calling you a liar at all. I would just question the quality of the engine at that price.
Fast, reliable, cheap. You can only pick 2.
Shortblock $6200
Heads $1700
Cam $350
Intake $250
Timing Chain$100
Injectors $400
That is 9K right there and there is no labor.
Not calling you a liar at all. I would just question the quality of the engine at that price.
Fast, reliable, cheap. You can only pick 2.
Headers
Balancer
injectors
Motormounts
Tranny mounts
Clutch
Starter
fuel system
cat back
9" with driveshaft
Performance transmission
The list never ends$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4
When I get some time I will list the cost for this build!!! Its probably around $13,000
Last edited by 1Hotbird; 10-04-2007 at 07:53 PM.
#37
Your build/parts list shows,
"Wiseco 4.187” custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports & tool steel pins".
I believe this type of gas porting is a series of radial channels above the top ring land and if that's the case you may not be able to see them when the short block is assembled.
D.J.
"Wiseco 4.187” custom forged nitrous pistons w/ lateral gas ports & tool steel pins".
I believe this type of gas porting is a series of radial channels above the top ring land and if that's the case you may not be able to see them when the short block is assembled.
D.J.
#39
My car is well over the 25k mark, probably around 14 in the engine alone. add headers, rear, fuel, wheels, clutch, transmission, suspension, Wheels I don't know that I'd want to do the math for real, thats not counting all the mistakes!!!!! And I did all the labor except put my long block together.
#40
Okay this isn't the same block but it can give you an idea of what is done with a drop off and pick up job
http://www.motorsporttech.com/fbody_engine02.asp
I met a guy up in MI at the eckler's show...
Livernois had a 404 in his c6 and I think it put down right at 600!
According to that fellow he had about 120K including the price of the car....ouchies!
http://www.motorsporttech.com/fbody_engine02.asp
I met a guy up in MI at the eckler's show...
Livernois had a 404 in his c6 and I think it put down right at 600!
According to that fellow he had about 120K including the price of the car....ouchies!