magic

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I have a 6.0 LQ4 that I am going to be swapping into my 1995 Mustang. This is a budget build...maximizing every dollar spent on this project....

Engine: Stock long block LQ4 (using the 317 heads, no extra money for heads right now... just want to work with what I have!
Intake manifold will be an LS6 with a stock/ported throttle body...

Drivetrain: Tremec TKO600 (2.97 first gear, .64 5th gear)....3.27 rear gears....

Valvetrain: Crane Cams springs, steel retainers and locks KIT, hardened pushrods...

Exhaust: 1 3/4 headers...H-pipe with cats...catback...

I need a cam that has great streetability, reliability, longevity on the valvetrain, ability to pass a smog test and I dont see the need to spin this motor above 6500 rpm on a street driven DD type car...basically dont want a peaky cam...but also want to make +/- 400 rwhp and similar rwtq.

Which of the following cams (or something else thats recommended) would suit my requirements?

1.) 224/230 .609/.604 113+2 with the XFI lobes...(Seems to work great in a cpl members cars like Ryan L and a cpl C6 Vette's that Pat G spec'd this cam for..)

2.) 224/228 .590/.590 114 (Crane Cams Punisher series)

3.) Anyone elses well educated recommendations?

What is the difference between the 113 +4 and 114 LSA? I know the 113+4 is ground 4 degrees advanced...how will this affect PTV clearance?Powerband?


What length PUSHRODS to go with?
Timing Chain and Oil Pump recommendation?
I will prolly end up using an LS2 Corvette oil pan and pick up....

Thanks in advance!

NemeSS

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have 317 heads milled for more compression
LPE GT11
ASA
GMPP Hot cam are all excellent choices.
ptv will have to be checked with any cam anyway.
ls2 chain works nice and cheep, ported lsx oil pump
but prefer melling hi volume/hi pressure oil pump
arp rod bolts for con rods.

magic

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I know that Car Craft made some stout numbers with the GM Hot Cam and a carb setup with a stock LQ4 with the iron heads...

Anybody else with suggestions?

KONG

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216/224 .580/.580 on 114lsa. Decent cam, great power under the curve and even better drivability.

magic

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who makes this one?

KONG

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It is a variation of a cam that Crane makes. Just like any custom cam it can be tailored to a particular application. I would give them a call. With the right combination of parts this cam is pretty lethal. Do not be fooled by its size.

magic

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NemeSS, Ive done a lot of reading the past few days on the gm ASA and Hot cam...so far I like what Ive read! my only concern now is the LSA of those cams and emissions testings...and the choppy idles...I need something not so radical sounding at idle....

the LPE GT11...looks like its got some "crazy" looking specs....but Ihavent found much to read as I have the two gm cams....how would the LPE GT2-3 fare compared to the GT11 on my LQ4??

Thanks...

magic

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KONG, Ive been looking at some other "small" off the shelf cams as well....

One in particular from Comp Cams that has me interested is the XFI RPM Hi Lift....
212/218 .558/.563 115 LSA
It's description reads "Great Street cam with very wide power range, good drivability and excellent response".....That description has me hooked....

Any input?

Thanks...

dca1042

lpe gt11 cam will make great power installed straight up as recommended,will need good patriot springs.with right tune it should pass smog and idle smooth as silk.
cheers dave.

dre2013

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tsp 228r..and definetly mill those heads. also lq4 is a gen III motor fyi..might get a few more responses in that section

NemeSS

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true.
it sounds stock with a very slight bump, it idles smooth in a 6.0
cant even tell in a 6.0
but it is an aggressive **** when u get on it.
best i can describe is like the motor goes from nerd to mad as hell and not taking anyones **** anymore.
when u get on it, pulls pretty hard for lo intake duration cam
lol
if that makes any sense

magic

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LOL..nice description on the GT11!! Maybe LPE should put that on their website!

Did you have this cam? what kinda numbers did you thump out with it?

NemeSS

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yes, a few.
i installed in my uncles 02 zo6 with lt headers, made 450+rwhp iirc with tune and lt headers, xpipe exhaust, patriot gold springs kit. car runs hard
feels really fast for small cam.

also installed in another 01 5.7 z28 with lt headers, 3in. exhaust with m6
car. in friends car, patriot gold springs kit and ported stock tb
he went with mail order tune and the car runs hard and sounds mean wot
but the owner needs driver mod

and in a bone stock lq4 swapped into a rcsb 02 silverado
with patriot springs, shorty headers and exhaust, it pulls hard
surprises alot of stock lt1's, mustangs and some stock ls1 cars

im actually building a engine around a gt11
.060 over lq4 375ci with less than 5cc vr 10.75-11.0:1 scr
243 heads milled .015-.030 with 2.02 intake valves
thinkiing of victor jr with elbow,90mm, and 1" spacer but have ls6 intake and ported tb available now
lt headers, exhaust
with 4k stall/th350 trans
imo the gt11 is more agressive than the TR CheaTR
very responsive, idles like stock. i recommend over any 220 cams.

magic

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Hows the GT11 going to be on the springs etc? What about valvetrain noise at idle? or would a slighty longer pushrod eliminate that?

Whats your thoughts on the GT2-3 cam?

salemetro

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Not to highjack the thread, but while we're on the topic of cam recommendations (rather than starting another thread)...how about
a cam for a stroked 6.0 (408)?

Specs are:

4.0 stroke x 4.030 bore
.051 quench
8.5:1 pistons
6.125 rods
L92 heads
L76 intake
90mm tb

I'm looking for an "everyday driver" type of profile. No additional stall (or as low as possible), planning on hitting it with about 15bls of boost. Hoping to make 600rwhp or better.

Any suggestions?

magic

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If you go back to my 1st post, there is a cam profile there, the first one listed, that was originally spec'd out by Patrick G for a car with around 9.2:1 compression that was going to see boost down the road...but ended up working quite well in an NA application....

From looking at the Lingenfelter website, they have two cams that work will boosted applications...the GT2-3 and the GT7, I think the GT7 should work well?..http://www.lingenfelter.com/store/ls1-gtapp.html

From what Ive gathered over the past little, when I was originally going to do a turbo build up, is that turbo cars can make wicked jam without having a crazy cam profile IE. duration....

If I was going to hit this 6.0 LQ4 Im working with for my swap with boost from a turbo, then I dont think I would be having a tough time with cam selection....but since Im going to keep in NA for a while, then it becomes a little tough for me.

magic

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Anyone have any input on the following two cams from SDPC?

The Z+220 : 220/224 .551/.551 114LSA

and the L92 / LS7 Custom Camshaft
228/236 .566/.551 115LSA

Any one of those 2 would work well in my 6.0?

NemeSS

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so u want to stay n/a?
im guessing a 230*+ cam will work fine,
any good cam is gonna need strong springs like the patriot dual gold or extreme.
hell, just mill the heads, and throw a TRex in there with 4k stall

magic

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yea, stay NA for now...dont need a max effort NA setup...just something that can be daily driven reliable and streetable...with "power under the curve"...thats why Im looking at these "smaller" cams...yet I still want to make some jam in its NA form....

I'll be doing a manual trans setup...


All I want to know is, which of the "smaller" cams would best suit this application (stock long block 6.0L, natutally aspirtated, 9.4:1 compression, LS6 intake manifold and full exhaust) and meet my requirements?

And since Im on a budget....with the 02+ LS6 valve springs....

Should be easy enough...right?? choices...choices...