New LT1 for 2014 6.2l alum block
12-11-2012 | 06:18 PM
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Would someone please explain how to pick a good header for whatever application. What questions should someone be asking and what should be considered when purchasing headers.
Not for my 427. Just wondering!
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Robert
Not for my 427. Just wondering!
thank you
Robert
12-11-2012 | 06:23 PM
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12-11-2012 | 06:39 PM
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i skipped allot of pages but its the same on every website.
The name : LT1 = stupid, the only people who like it are a handful of lt1 owners on various sites. and like i said that only a handful. most lt1 owners and lsx owners dont like the name
GM-- be ******* creative and use a new name or rpo code or something, jeez
Tuning: Now Big GUnz has said it wont be tunable.
as a programmer who has done network security tasks, i can say thats the funniest thing ive ever read. Really almost spit pepsi at the screen from laughing so hard.
I love it when someone says something not hackable(govt ****), or breakable, or sinkable(titanic)
then people like me come along and actually hack something, then all the nay sayers fade away and you never hear about them again.
There will be tuning. of that you can be sure, someone will make it happen, so you can keep talking about your servers and keys and fuel tables and saftey all day but your talking to a brick wall.
cheers
-Nick ..... the last ls1 owner lol
The name : LT1 = stupid, the only people who like it are a handful of lt1 owners on various sites. and like i said that only a handful. most lt1 owners and lsx owners dont like the name
GM-- be ******* creative and use a new name or rpo code or something, jeez
Tuning: Now Big GUnz has said it wont be tunable.
as a programmer who has done network security tasks, i can say thats the funniest thing ive ever read. Really almost spit pepsi at the screen from laughing so hard.
I love it when someone says something not hackable(govt ****), or breakable, or sinkable(titanic)
then people like me come along and actually hack something, then all the nay sayers fade away and you never hear about them again.
There will be tuning. of that you can be sure, someone will make it happen, so you can keep talking about your servers and keys and fuel tables and saftey all day but your talking to a brick wall.
cheers
-Nick ..... the last ls1 owner lol
That person is just itching to turn the 2014 LT1 ENGINE into a 450lbs paper weight.
You don't have to take my word for it. I hope that tuner or tuning company has a replacement plan for 2014 LT1. $14,995.00 is a lot of money. Engine is tough however the precision in which it works and has to maintain constantly is not for the lite heart.
Then again....... all this back and forth over the ECM is pointless. We'll just wait and see. And for your hard earned money I suggest finding something less delicate when it comes to precision systems to tune.
Bigg Gunz
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12-11-2012 | 06:57 PM
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I still wonder about a few things regarding the LT1, sorry if missed the explanations previously posted.....
With part of the ability for external tuning removed, is the existing system able to compensate for small external modifications such as long tube headers for example? The ECM is self reliant it has the ability to make the necessary changes for external mods, no problems or questions ask. As long as those headers are quality headers then the ECM will compensate in tuning as needed for additional output.
When connected to GM to resolve any problems that require it, what other data is being downloaded?........ GPS data? Recorded vehicle speeds? As you may or may not know these cars will come with black boxes. Similar to EDR/CDR boxes in cars however this isn't for crashes. These new boxes are able to unleash enormous amounts of data. However the data for diagnostics is only downloaded in the event of a sensor or part failure. If something is really wrong then of course the box will tell all if needed. No GPS data is recorded as that is tracking and highly illegal. GPS is only obtained in the event you call onstar for help. The car itself will NOT record GPS data. This is your privacy.
After the warranty runs out, how will non GM service professionals have access to this system?
With part of the ability for external tuning removed, is the existing system able to compensate for small external modifications such as long tube headers for example? The ECM is self reliant it has the ability to make the necessary changes for external mods, no problems or questions ask. As long as those headers are quality headers then the ECM will compensate in tuning as needed for additional output.
When connected to GM to resolve any problems that require it, what other data is being downloaded?........ GPS data? Recorded vehicle speeds? As you may or may not know these cars will come with black boxes. Similar to EDR/CDR boxes in cars however this isn't for crashes. These new boxes are able to unleash enormous amounts of data. However the data for diagnostics is only downloaded in the event of a sensor or part failure. If something is really wrong then of course the box will tell all if needed. No GPS data is recorded as that is tracking and highly illegal. GPS is only obtained in the event you call onstar for help. The car itself will NOT record GPS data. This is your privacy.
After the warranty runs out, how will non GM service professionals have access to this system?
Bigg Gunz
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12-11-2012 | 07:12 PM
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after this camaro im going to get a trans-am or corvette (c4 or c5, if i win the lotto c6 z06)
i dont like the look of the new vette and i dont like the engine. plus everything for the current vettes will be probably three times cheaper to obtain.
the only people wasting money would be the buyers of the new vettes, if what you say stands.
well...not the retired people that buy vettes, they dont even try the speed limit so it wont matter that they cant tune their cars
12-11-2012 | 07:17 PM
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Bigg_Gunz,
I have read all of your posts. You are very knowledgeable and the posts are very informative. There are two specific areas for which I have questions, which I hope you can answer:
1) When you discussed the use of E-85, you mentioned that the ECM would increase duration when E-85 is used. I understand how VVT varies cam phasing, but I don’t know how it can be used to increase duration. Can you go into some specifics on this? Another 2 version of this engine is in concurrent testing. That engine has a cam in cam version. It's not that I was ignoring your question I had to get permission to speak on variable duration.
2) Is GM doing anything to improve rear wheel traction on the C7 to improve 0-60 performance? Will we see some rear weight bias?Yes
I have read all of your posts. You are very knowledgeable and the posts are very informative. There are two specific areas for which I have questions, which I hope you can answer:
1) When you discussed the use of E-85, you mentioned that the ECM would increase duration when E-85 is used. I understand how VVT varies cam phasing, but I don’t know how it can be used to increase duration. Can you go into some specifics on this? Another 2 version of this engine is in concurrent testing. That engine has a cam in cam version. It's not that I was ignoring your question I had to get permission to speak on variable duration.
2) Is GM doing anything to improve rear wheel traction on the C7 to improve 0-60 performance? Will we see some rear weight bias?Yes
12-11-2012 | 07:28 PM
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yes, we shall see. and i will be keeping my hard earned money, so that i can modify my current car instead of buying a brand new stock vehicle.
after this camaro im going to get a trans-am or corvette (c4 or c5, if i win the lotto c6 z06)
i dont like the look of the new vette and i dont like the engine. plus everything for the current vettes will be probably three times cheaper to obtain.
the only people wasting money would be the buyers of the new vettes, if what you say stands.
well...not the retired people that buy vettes, they dont even try the speed limit so it wont matter that they cant tune their cars
after this camaro im going to get a trans-am or corvette (c4 or c5, if i win the lotto c6 z06)
i dont like the look of the new vette and i dont like the engine. plus everything for the current vettes will be probably three times cheaper to obtain.
the only people wasting money would be the buyers of the new vettes, if what you say stands.
well...not the retired people that buy vettes, they dont even try the speed limit so it wont matter that they cant tune their cars
I will concur with you on buying a C6 Zo6. Save up buy it and destroke it and apply your force induction power adder.
Now with the C7 and with the power that is available and power levels to come these cars will sell like "HOT CAKES."
Bigg Gunz.
12-11-2012 | 09:56 PM
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[quote=Bigg_Gunz;16970281]Now with the C7 and with the power that is available and power levels to come these cars will sell like "HOT CAKES."/quote]
Oooo - I just saw a picture of the C7 and its a whole lot of ugly. I'm now hoping for a Gen V crate engine!
Oooo - I just saw a picture of the C7 and its a whole lot of ugly. I'm now hoping for a Gen V crate engine!
12-11-2012 | 11:35 PM
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Bigg_Gunz,
In post #385 I posted questions I have regarding the C7. After that post, you posted responses to other questions. Thus far, you have not answered my questions. Can you do so, or are the answers to the questions outside the information you are authorized to provide?
In post #386 Kingsize posted an answer to one of my questions. Is his answer correct? If so, I still have further questions. Are you allowed to answer such questions?
For example, Kingsize provided "A cam map is most likely written to manipulate the ramp up to MOP and down from MOP during the duration cycle to "see" more duration." To me, this seams plausible if the cam map can control each lobe on the camshaft independently. But I believe that the lobes are not independently variable; they are fixed to the camshaft itself. If you vary the camshaft for any particular lobe, it will affect every other lobe fixed to the camshaft. Am I missing something here? Can you explain?
In post #385 I posted questions I have regarding the C7. After that post, you posted responses to other questions. Thus far, you have not answered my questions. Can you do so, or are the answers to the questions outside the information you are authorized to provide?
In post #386 Kingsize posted an answer to one of my questions. Is his answer correct? If so, I still have further questions. Are you allowed to answer such questions?
For example, Kingsize provided "A cam map is most likely written to manipulate the ramp up to MOP and down from MOP during the duration cycle to "see" more duration." To me, this seams plausible if the cam map can control each lobe on the camshaft independently. But I believe that the lobes are not independently variable; they are fixed to the camshaft itself. If you vary the camshaft for any particular lobe, it will affect every other lobe fixed to the camshaft. Am I missing something here? Can you explain?
12-12-2012 | 06:57 AM
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The aftermarket is a big slice of our bread and butter. There will be a crate engine and ECM for that engine. Rejoice!
Bigg Gunz
The aftermarket is a big slice of our bread and butter. There will be a crate engine and ECM for that engine. Rejoice!
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12-12-2012 | 07:17 AM
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12-12-2012 | 07:18 AM
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Bigg_Gunz,
In post #385 I posted questions I have regarding the C7. After that post, you posted responses to other questions. Thus far, you have not answered my questions. Can you do so, or are the answers to the questions outside the information you are authorized to provide?
In post #386 Kingsize posted an answer to one of my questions. Is his answer correct? If so, I still have further questions. Are you allowed to answer such questions?
For example, Kingsize provided "A cam map is most likely written to manipulate the ramp up to MOP and down from MOP during the duration cycle to "see" more duration." To me, this seams plausible if the cam map can control each lobe on the camshaft independently. But I believe that the lobes are not independently variable; they are fixed to the camshaft itself. If you vary the camshaft for any particular lobe, it will affect every other lobe fixed to the camshaft. Am I missing something here? Can you explain?
In post #385 I posted questions I have regarding the C7. After that post, you posted responses to other questions. Thus far, you have not answered my questions. Can you do so, or are the answers to the questions outside the information you are authorized to provide?
In post #386 Kingsize posted an answer to one of my questions. Is his answer correct? If so, I still have further questions. Are you allowed to answer such questions?
For example, Kingsize provided "A cam map is most likely written to manipulate the ramp up to MOP and down from MOP during the duration cycle to "see" more duration." To me, this seams plausible if the cam map can control each lobe on the camshaft independently. But I believe that the lobes are not independently variable; they are fixed to the camshaft itself. If you vary the camshaft for any particular lobe, it will affect every other lobe fixed to the camshaft. Am I missing something here? Can you explain?
It's not that I was ignoring your question, I am currently waiting for permission pertaining to what I can and cannot say. I can answer your question in general however that would NOT be sufficient or do your question justice.. And I am sure you would like to know about (CVVT) in the 2014 LT1. And not some randomized answer. After I get word back from my superior on exactly what I can say I will revisit your post and answer in great detail. What I can and will say the 2nd version of this engine will used and optimize a CAM in CAM allowing for ultra complex cam controls of the specs.
When I answer a question I go into great detail on why, how, and the reasons the functions are set the way they are and this builds insight and understanding. I try my best to provide information that most keep in secret with in reason of course.
Bare with me as I wait for my superior to read and review my request to explain CVVT, VVT, VVC in an open forum. I need the GO ahead first, As all of these are very similar and very different and I can ensure you at some point within the near future you all will encounter them from GM.
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12-12-2012 | 07:23 AM
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So basically start over and redesign? You have to keep in mind a RED DRESS isn't going to look good on every woman. BLACK, WHITE, BLUE does the frame justice. Over all the pic above is 90% correct.
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12-12-2012 | 01:03 PM
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it really sounds like, because of the "dual os" nature of the ecm, that the fueling tables are actually running parallel and not concurrent to the rest of program that runs the engine.
12-12-2012 | 01:43 PM
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Hopefully the 10% of that picture that's not correct is the whole rear fascia.
12-12-2012 | 02:27 PM
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Then my "age related" comment may be more appropriate. Some of the guys are "acting" like teenagers flexing their muscles. I may agree that the delivery by BG at times could use some freshening up, but the accusations, name calling and general bad mouthing IMO are uncalled for.
As for the back of the car...agreed, let the camaro have those tailights and keep with the round vette theme.
As for the back of the car...agreed, let the camaro have those tailights and keep with the round vette theme.
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