Pump Gas Drags - This makes no sense...
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Pump Gas Drags - This makes no sense...
The rules state that entrants must use DOT tires in the back. That makes sense, as these are supposed to be "street cars."
But you can run any tire up front (i.e. skinnies). That makes no sense at all! Not only is that not legal to do on the street, but all of the manufacturers of skinnies say "don't do it, track only, it's dangerous, they're not meant for that, your warranty is void, etc, etc."
The whole point behind the operation (i.e. a competition for legit street cars) is ruined by this. I think next year they should require DOT tires on all fours and make this competition legit again.
But you can run any tire up front (i.e. skinnies). That makes no sense at all! Not only is that not legal to do on the street, but all of the manufacturers of skinnies say "don't do it, track only, it's dangerous, they're not meant for that, your warranty is void, etc, etc."
The whole point behind the operation (i.e. a competition for legit street cars) is ruined by this. I think next year they should require DOT tires on all fours and make this competition legit again.
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Do you know how many guys run around the streets on front runners? I think that's getting alittle picky. Then they would have to make another rule to run DOT wheels too. There are alot of us running DOT front runners but most 15x3.5" wheels are not DOT legal. How many cars there do you think could actually pass a full inspection anyway?
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Originally Posted by GM Muscle
Do you know how many guys run around the streets on front runners? I think that's getting alittle picky. Then they would have to make another rule to run DOT wheels too. There are alot of us running DOT front runners but most 15x3.5" wheels are not DOT legal.
How many cars there do you think could actually pass a full inspection anyway?
The bottom line is that this is a question of what the purpose of the Pump Gas Drags is, and if running skinnies up front violates that purpose. From what I read of the rules and of their mission statement, this policy is IMHO a contradiction of their stated purpose.
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
No one wants to read about or watch 12 second cars.
So they allow some stuff thats not "street leagal"
N20 is not street legal but lucky for me they allow it
So they allow some stuff thats not "street leagal"
N20 is not street legal but lucky for me they allow it
I'm not going to make this a N20 argument because that'll turn into a flame war right quickly.
(puts away 10 ft pole)
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Well, ET streets are DOT legal too. I think it's probably more along the lines of streetable rather than a something like an everday street car on normal radial tires.
Something that fill up on pump gas, drive to the track, run, and drive home. Not necessarily completely street legal, otherwise you'd only be seeing a lot of stock cars running each other, since almost any mod you do you car isn't legal.
If there's too many rules and restrictions, a lot of people that would normally particpate won't, keeping it simple is the best way.
Something that fill up on pump gas, drive to the track, run, and drive home. Not necessarily completely street legal, otherwise you'd only be seeing a lot of stock cars running each other, since almost any mod you do you car isn't legal.
If there's too many rules and restrictions, a lot of people that would normally particpate won't, keeping it simple is the best way.
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Originally Posted by black_knight
Precisely. By "DOT legal" I didn't mean to imply radial tires (though they have a separate class for that). You can still run slicks and be DOT legal, just not skinnies.
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Originally Posted by Muerte_X
They might be dot legal, but you can check the site and see that they're not recommended for normal driving either. They're basically slicks, besides, skinnies won't make a huge difference, maybe a couple of tenths. It's not something to get that worried about IMO.
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They do have skinny tires that are regular street tires. My friends run them. They are just cheapies that have a like H speed rating.
The reason they allow "skinnies" is probably because it isnt safe to take a spare tire or a 125 tire and run 160mph on it.
They would rather have a skinny that isnt going to blow out at 130mph than a radial tire that does.
What you are saying is you would rather a guy run a donut spares than a "skinny"? Donut spares are street legal but you have to use some common sense. Because this is what racers do....push the edge of safety and the rules for more speed.
The reason they allow "skinnies" is probably because it isnt safe to take a spare tire or a 125 tire and run 160mph on it.
They would rather have a skinny that isnt going to blow out at 130mph than a radial tire that does.
What you are saying is you would rather a guy run a donut spares than a "skinny"? Donut spares are street legal but you have to use some common sense. Because this is what racers do....push the edge of safety and the rules for more speed.
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Originally Posted by 93LS1RX7
What you are saying is you would rather a guy run a donut spares than a "skinny"? Donut spares are street legal but you have to use some common sense. Because this is what racers do....push the edge of safety and the rules for more speed.
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Originally Posted by 93LS1RX7
So then how thin? They make ACTUAL tire that are only 135 and are about 4.5" wide. See where the problem lies if you try to regulate it....
The point is that every manufacturer I've ever seen has emphatic and repeated warnings all over their wheels that say "don't run these on the street." So it seems kinda wrong to allow them in a "legit street car" competition.
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M/T makes street legal front skinnies.
They are bias ply and they are DOT legal with legit tread and all.
Nice tires, but a little heavier than their racing skinnies.
I run them on the front, with M/T drag radials on the rear.
They are bias ply and they are DOT legal with legit tread and all.
Nice tires, but a little heavier than their racing skinnies.
I run them on the front, with M/T drag radials on the rear.
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You want them to regulate a wheel/tire combo at least as wide as it came from the factory? Thats a really stupid idea. There are plently of 15x4/15x5 wheels that are DOT legal, and most of the people i see that run a skinny use a DOT approved tire anyways...so really what are you complaining about? Actually as far as I am concerned, your whole gripe here is poorly thought out. 1st...older cars came with skinny factory wheels...some in 5-6inch width, newer ones come in 8-10 inch, so if you would try to regulate your bad idea it would be an unfair advantage. 2nd...Every state has different inspection regulations/laws...to start making silly regulations to have a car that would need to pass a true 100% compliant inspection, this would give a distinct advantage to the cars that reside in the more leniant states as well. 3rd...Like already stated there are ALOT of skinny wheel and tire combinations that are DOT legal, so why are you stuck on having NO skinnies?
Heck if were gonna start putting stupid regulations on everything, we might as well start micro-classing everything, and that would lead everyone that races to have practically identical cars...sounds like fun right?
Heck if were gonna start putting stupid regulations on everything, we might as well start micro-classing everything, and that would lead everyone that races to have practically identical cars...sounds like fun right?
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Originally Posted by BigKap94z
You want them to regulate a wheel/tire combo at least as wide as it came from the factory? Thats a really stupid idea. There are plently of 15x4/15x5 wheels that are DOT legal, and most of the people i see that run a skinny use a DOT approved tire anyways...so really what are you complaining about?
why are you stuck on having NO skinnies?
Actually as far as I am concerned, your whole gripe here is poorly thought out. 1st...older cars came with skinny factory wheels...some in 5-6inch width, newer ones come in 8-10 inch, so if you would try to regulate your bad idea it would be an unfair advantage.
2nd...Every state has different inspection regulations/laws...to start making silly regulations to have a car that would need to pass a true 100% compliant inspection, this would give a distinct advantage to the cars that reside in the more leniant states as well.
Heck if were gonna start putting stupid regulations on everything, we might as well start micro-classing everything, and that would lead everyone that races to have practically identical cars...sounds like fun right?
To run wheels that say all over them NOT SAFE FOR THE STREET and WARNING WARNING DO NO USE ON THE STREET and WILL GO IN A STRAIGHT LINE ONLY and WARRANTY VOID IF YOU DON’T TRAILER THE CAR TO THE TRACK…. Well, that just doesn’t strike me as fitting in with the whole “legit street car” thing.
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it's about the pump gas!!!!!! thats what the premise was when started.
so what if the front tires are not "dot" legal! did you not see that last years winner had wheely bars? how many daily driven street cars with 8ft wheely bars do you see running around?
it was to see how fast cars can go on 91 octane period!!!
the rest of it is about safety!
so what if the front tires are not "dot" legal! did you not see that last years winner had wheely bars? how many daily driven street cars with 8ft wheely bars do you see running around?
it was to see how fast cars can go on 91 octane period!!!
the rest of it is about safety!
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Originally Posted by 1bad71
it's about the pump gas!!!!!! thats what the premise was when started.