Had a run against a last gen firechicken
10-23-2009, 01:50 PM
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I've owned 2 4th gen F-Bodies...a 1999 6-speed SS with heads/cam/headers, and 2000 A4 Z28 with the original (2001) LS6 cam and some bolt ons. Quite frankly, even when the 2000 Z was bone stock, it would have crushed my Impala, tune, intake, and all.
Based on your story, it had to have been the LT1-powered 93-97 car that you raced, because there is no way in hell you're gonna run down ANY LS1 car from behind with an LS4 and the mods in your sig.
Now, if there's a power-adder (spray, turbo, etc.) that you're hiding from us, then this all makes sense, otherwise, I'm gonna claim LT1 'bird.
Not trying to be a dick or anything, but I've been around these cars for almost 10 years, and I know first hand how potent a stock LS1 F-body is.
Based on your story, it had to have been the LT1-powered 93-97 car that you raced, because there is no way in hell you're gonna run down ANY LS1 car from behind with an LS4 and the mods in your sig.
Now, if there's a power-adder (spray, turbo, etc.) that you're hiding from us, then this all makes sense, otherwise, I'm gonna claim LT1 'bird.
Not trying to be a dick or anything, but I've been around these cars for almost 10 years, and I know first hand how potent a stock LS1 F-body is.
10-23-2009, 08:31 PM
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isn't the record for the 1/4 mile in a stock ls1 like 12.9? Now Lt1's are beatable for us easy. but for us to beat an ls1 we need all bolt ons, rockers etc, or the driver needs to suck and the car running rough.
10-23-2009, 08:46 PM
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My 2000 A4 Z would run 13.50's all day long with just the free mods and a lid. It was probably an "average" car compared to some of the LS1s that were running 13.0 right off the showroom floor.
10-23-2009, 09:10 PM
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Little off topic, but i had a run in with a mustang today. Base model with up grades. I know he did the exhaust but... well thats all i could tell. ALSO as pre-05. Was just driving home, and i passed him. He made a really big effort to catch up since he got caught at a light. We stopped at a light and he was revving it up. Long straight road with no one a head. I said what the hell he worked hard to catch up. I open up my cut out and his face completely changed haha. Its pretty loud since i have it further up. Light turns green and i gun it. I leave him behind by.... well i could hardly see him anymore. I slowed down and chilled out. Well he didnt take it so well, he came back revving at me trying to egg me on. I politely declined and he got pissed. He gave me the bird and took off as fast as he could. I shrugged it off and then couldnt help but laugh when i passed him when he got stuck behind some cars. haha.
10-24-2009, 03:22 PM
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i think that bone stock ls1s turning high 12s is more rare then typical. the fastest stock ls4 time ive seen was a 13.5 or 13.6 at atco in cold weather. anyway you look at it conditions the same with the same driver the car is at least .5 slower. i dont think he was reeling her in. perhaps she backed off a little or what have you. what i do think is in a street race anything can happen and just cause the car is faster doesnt mean the driver is better. you can miss a gear, stumble off the line, launch to hard, or get caught sleeping. your not racing the track or a timer in real life so it doesnt matter if the car is a .5 second quicker in that regard. though i feel the ls1 in 90% of the cases should win theres always a chance. on the street its not always the faster car that wins.
10-24-2009, 09:21 PM
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nobody said it wasn't unbeatable but I don't think you realize how fast they are. For example I ran a 12.8@110 with an intake, tune and catback. All through an auto with 2.73 gears and the car drove itself. No offense but I'm just saying you'd have to have one awfully shitty driver in the LS1 to beat one.
10-24-2009, 10:16 PM
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Unbeatable, no. But given a driver that doesn't suck in the LS1 shouldn't be much of a question. Modded the LS1 has obviously more out there, and stock for stock, even the best stock time tested on an LS4 isn't as good as the worst of an LS1 haha. The LS1 cars weigh how much less and seeing as how it always seems like they were underrated probably have close to 350hp stock.
10-24-2009, 10:23 PM
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nobody said it wasn't unbeatable but I don't think you realize how fast they are. For example I ran a 12.8@110 with an intake, tune and catback. All through an auto with 2.73 gears and the car drove itself. No offense but I'm just saying you'd have to have one awfully shitty driver in the LS1 to beat one.
10-24-2009, 11:38 PM
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I agree with both of you. I just wish one of you guys would build one up so we all could see the true potential these LS4's have. I would bet my left nut that just an LS2 intake, mild cam and headers would gain 100 hp. Prove me wrong.
10-24-2009, 11:42 PM
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Unbeatable, no. But given a driver that doesn't suck in the LS1 shouldn't be much of a question. Modded the LS1 has obviously more out there, and stock for stock, even the best stock time tested on an LS4 isn't as good as the worst of an LS1 haha. The LS1 cars weigh how much less and seeing as how it always seems like they were underrated probably have close to 350hp stock.
10-25-2009, 12:32 AM
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I guess mongoose would be the closest to what you're talking about since he's doing heads/cam/more ported intake soon. We'll have to see what his numbers looks like with that plus his ported exhaust manifolds.
10-25-2009, 03:45 AM
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For a stock or mildly modified LS4 car, an LS1 is nearly unbeatable. The only tricky part of driving an LS1 F-body is getting the launch right. After that, monster midrange and stout top-end take over. An LS1 really comes on right about where our LS4s start to fall flat. The difference is huge.
10-25-2009, 01:26 PM
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For a stock or mildly modified LS4 car, an LS1 is nearly unbeatable. The only tricky part of driving an LS1 F-body is getting the launch right. After that, monster midrange and stout top-end take over. An LS1 really comes on right about where our LS4s start to fall flat. The difference is huge.
The manuals are the hardest to launch.
10-25-2009, 02:15 PM
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My 2000 originally had 2.73s (I swapped to 3.42's) and it was still pretty easy to light up the tires at launch on the street. You're right, though, the 6-speeds are not easy to launch cleanly.
10-25-2009, 05:33 PM
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true, be there are a few factors. But for the most part a stock geared auto (273 or 323) with a decent set of tires should hook good....unless the road is super cold.
10-26-2009, 08:10 AM
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This spring ill be done classes and i already have a decent job lined up. Ill probably be getting a 02 corvette (insert whatever avail optional packages here) and keeping my GXP as a daily. Also i met up with the owner again and she said its a LT4. Not to say Im full of **** but Ive taken a older Corvette LT1 from 60 km he was stock though. These cars don't do bad after u hookup.
I personally love when Civics with stage 1 turbos (200hp) or a NA engine swap (H22) pull up on the HWY wanting to have a go and i blow them away... they usually do the ricer fly by! i love ricer fly bys!
I personally love when Civics with stage 1 turbos (200hp) or a NA engine swap (H22) pull up on the HWY wanting to have a go and i blow them away... they usually do the ricer fly by! i love ricer fly bys!
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10-26-2009, 10:26 AM
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This spring ill be done classes and i already have a decent job lined up. Ill probably be getting a 02 corvette (insert whatever avail optional packages here) and keeping my GXP as a daily. Also i met up with the owner again and she said its a LT4. Not to say Im full of **** but Ive taken a older Corvette LT1 from 60 km he was stock though. These cars don't do bad after u hookup.