KillaGXP

your talking low 13 high 12 sec LS1 vers "mostly" high 13 sec LS4, occasionally mid 13's, 13.6+. Havent seen anyone on the Web with an LS4 running better then a 13.6. Area's GXP with mods and a 60-75 shot only did 13.3@108, close to a stock LS1...I think your friends LS1 is an abused motor lol Stock for Stock LS1 vs 03 Cobra are almost the same in he 1/4 right? i have a vid racing a 03 cobra, lost by 3-4 cars in the 1/4...You have one hell of a SS

crippler22

Where are you finding these high 12 sec times for stock LS1 F bodies?
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6
Both are stock times. If they were using slicks maybe but then not stock or street legal.
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9 Thats supercharged though.
The 03 Cobra was high 13's low 14's.

Clean94Z

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Ls1 are tough cars but they are all over the place when it comes to performance. I have had many many friends over the years own them. Some more then one. Ls1's are all about the car and the driver. Some ls1 run like crap. I have watch stock ls1's not trap 100 and stock ones trap 109. I have also seen a 340 rwhp ls1 run low 13.3 109 and a 320rwhp ls1 run 12.83/110.Hell i had a friend with a H/C ls1 put down 370/370 and run 13.1 at 110. Every car is different.


This is not a true statement. If you are talking on average a stock ls1 camaro {a4 mid 13's 101/104 low 13's m6 105/107} vs a stock cobra {mid to high 12's 109/111} the cobra will win hands down. If you are talking worse case meaning the slowest or bad running ls1's can stock run 100 traps while cobra's still run 106. Best case a ls1 will run 109 stock but a cobra bets case will go 113. The fastest stock record cobra ran a 12.3/114 and the fastest stock ls1 record ran a 12.7/12.8 at 109{completely stock}. It comes down to the car and the driver. A cobra is a diffcult car to launch due to wheels hop and a ls1 is diffcult to launch due to that tall first gear {bog or spin}. I have owned both, raced both and I am not brand loyal. The cobra is a faster car stock to stock.

Chrsmi1

Well none the less, a stock LS1 will walk one of our cars. That's assuming good conditions and good drivers.

crippler22

On paper in perfect world a LS1 powered car will walk a LS4 car. This isn't a perfect world and fact is if I were driving the LS1 car yes it would have beat the Impala SS. I have been around F bodies since my Dad bought our 1st Camaro in 1977. I have driven them ever since. So I know a thing or two about F-bodies, the LS1 and what they can do. It all comes down to the driver!

KillaGXP

Seeing my friend has an 00 SS ran 12.8 stock completely.
Another friend had a 13.1 stock 03 cobra spinning. Where you getting your info on 03 cobras running high 13 low 14? 4.6l supercharged 400hp>LS4 303hp......the cobra gonna run the same time as a LS4? i think not. Where i live in jersey its Cobra heaven, am usually at the track and most stock cobras will not reach over 13.3, and a 13.3 pass they spun like hell out of the hole,yet i have seen alot of high 13 sec cobras only because they bog completely off the line, there 60' must have been 2.6+.LS1 are very underated. LS4 are pushing 249ish HP to the wheel, LS1 pushing what? 330-340 on average? how can you compare, its apples and oranges. Am sure if we post a thread on the LS1 engines for stock times there will be alot of low low 13-high 12 sec LS1's. Oh BTW if i can make my fathers 04 GT 5 speed ranked at 260hp run a 14.1@98 no track prep what so ever does that mean i can hang or come close to beat an 03 cobra your saying runs high13's low 14's? above average LS1>LS4 hands down. Show me a timeslip of a low 13 sec pass stock and ill believe you can hang and beat a LS1. If not am gonna raise the bullshit flag

I agree anything can happen on the street, but chances are 90% of the time the LS1 will walk all over us. You would have to be a completely shitty driver for an LS4 to overcome a LS1

Chrsmi1

I agree!!!

crippler22

[QUOTE=KillaGXP] LS4 are pushing 249ish HP to the wheel, LS1 pushing what? 330-340 on average? how can you compare, its apples and oranges.

So you are saying that LS1's are underrated and really have the same output as the LS2. Are you out of your mind? If you think that a stock LS1 is producing 330 to 340 hp at the wheels, your on some good meds. Or you are comparing apples (net horsepower) to oranges (gross horsepower.) I agree that an F-body should beat our W-body but a car can only do what its made to do.

Kazmaniac

There is a night and day differnce between my Z and the Monte in performance, always has, always will be. The Z pins you back in your seat, and has violent acceleration - you can see the passenger get pulled back on the 1, 2 and 3 shift! The Monte just feels very quick.

Even stock, the Z would spank the Monte / Imp / GXP. I say they will do 85% of what the Z can. The area the W-body will spank the Z is long distance traveling or anything family, etc.

Agree on the driver dependant ...

nighthand

Just shoot out the tires of the F-Body.

LS4 = winner!



Most of (but certainly not all) of the F-Bodies around me don't seem to be very well kept. There are the odd few, but most seem very sluggish in the few short "races" I have had (passing them on two lane off ramps, etc).

There are a few "showy" f-bodies that look very nice, but I don't see them run that much.

However, all that being said, the f-bodies are definitely still really nice vehicles considering they are all what? 5+ years old? If I had the space to keep and work on one, I would definitely do it.

Kazmaniac

Was thinking about that today ... good point to bring up. Too bad the target is over 5 years old.

Kazmaniac

Up north here, just about everyone puts their cars away for the winter, except for a few that probably have to drive them understandably because of their cash situation.

The ones you guys will have to worry about is the "summer only" cars ... dang - can't wait for spring!

crippler22

Yeah, I always loved the way the Camaro SS pulled. I miss that and the rumble with the Impala SS. Still my point was that with an average driver in the Fbody our cars will hang with them. I am not suggesting walk all over them. I'm saying like my race, front fender to half a car win or lose. In a family sedan the guy in the Fbody has more to worry about. If he messes up he lost to momma's car if he wins he beat momma's car.

kpssmonte

I would like to see a auto Z28 well maintained vs a stock LS4 race from a roll and a dig.Probably only half a car to the Z28 from a roll and about 2cars to the Z28 from a dig. Which is really cool for a family car that most people think still has a V-6.Thats may favorite thing about my 06MCSS, it's a sleeper from the factory.

KillaGXP

Guess you can say that from i seen same times from both in the 1/4. Tho it seems GTO's have more of a traction issue. You lurk around this sight you'll see alot of LS1's running the same times as an LS2 in the 1/4. Seems like this thread got

Clean94Z

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Well the results are in. The 2 gt's ended up about dead even in the race. I paced the race between the two. I took off behind them from a 40 punch and by 115 they pulled about 1 car length. Time got cut short. But I am sure if a side by side race I would have lost but been at the back of there car.

nighthand

Very nice showing for the LS4!

Good job

kpssmonte

Not bad for a stock family sedan I would like a coulpe of runs against one with my MCSS w/diablo tune,K&N filter.I'll put exhaust on this spring,thinking about leaving the stock exhaust for daily driving and just add electric cut out?

kissmyss03

iTrader: (1)

i ran an auto ls1 z28 off a light and we were even till 60ish then we let off cuz of traffic, and at the track a modded lt1 ran only a tenth faster then me

Kazmaniac

+1 on the family sedan ... fear the MCSS!