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Old 01-13-2010, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kgkern01
No offense, but this thread is about the 21* castings. We've seen that the 23* castings can be ported out to 220+cc and can flow over 300 cfm, I think most of us want to know the potential of those castings. Any info about the potential of the 21* castings?
TEA doesnt believe this is hugely different potential in the 2 degree rollover, they have said that the gains are more due to the new CNC chamber design and valvejob area, not insofar as much the 21degree'ness

The heads we are running they chose to start with the 23 degree castings, werent sure if they could do the same port on the 21 degree castings

Id be REALLLY interested to see a LTx casting at a measured 203cc that moves 300 cfm of air for real. Send me one, and Ill use that head on every LT1 I build from now on.
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Originally Posted by GrannySShifting
TEA doesnt believe this is hugely different potential in the 2 degree rollover, they have said that the gains are more due to the new CNC chamber design and valvejob area, not insofar as much the 21degree'ness

The heads we are running they chose to start with the 23 degree castings, werent sure if they could do the same port on the 21 degree castings
Ok, I was just wondering why info on ported 23* heads was posted in a thread about 21* heads. I would like to see just how far these heads could be ported though. IF they could be ported just as much as the 23* heads, then theorhetically the 2* rollover could potentially be good for another 10+ cfm over 23* right?

Id be REALLLY interested to see a LTx casting at a measured 203cc that moves 300 cfm of air for real. Send me one, and Ill use that head on every LT1 I build from now on.
Well I didn't mean that stock castings could flow 300 cfm, just that they could be ported to 205-208cc intake. I had a set of LE3's that I had sold that measured to 208cc, but they only flowed 280 cfm.

I just want to know the max potential of these 21* heads, as they flow great as-cast and should be good for my custom cammed stock bottom-end 400rwhp goal. Eventually I want to build a high power stroker and if these heads could then be ported to flow 310 cfm (or more) like the 23* heads, then I would only need to buy one set of heads, and just get them ported later.
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Im not so sure that the port in this head could be ran in the rolled over castings at all. Brian thought even if possible the difference would be pretty negligable. As it is, with how the chamber comes out you are running a semi odd spark plug reach as they sit now
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So it sounds like between the 2 heads, the 21* heads have the best as-cast potential and can still flow 300+ cfm fully ported so would be good for 350/355 builds or mild or high CR strokers, where as the 23* would offer the most potential fully ported for high RPM 355 or high hp strokers at over 220cc and 310+ cfm. Is this correct?
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I dont know about the 21 degree going 300 cfm, as Ive just never seen any other LTx head get within 20 cfm of that number on the bench we use, other than hand done stuff that isnt for 99% of people (read expensive stuff that is very good but there is a price for that)

Id love to see that though.. cough cough AI
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Originally Posted by GrannySShifting
I dont know about the 21 degree going 300 cfm, as Ive just never seen any other LTx head get within 20 cfm of that number on the bench we use, other than hand done stuff that isnt for 99% of people (read expensive stuff that is very good but there is a price for that)

Id love to see that though.. cough cough AI
I believe the Dart Pro 1's have gone over 300 with port work.
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On our bench the 220-230 cc LS1 heads barely make it over 300 cfm, so Id have to see it for myself. Things are no better than dynoes!
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Originally Posted by GrannySShifting
On our bench the 220-230 cc LS1 heads barely make it over 300 cfm, so Id have to see it for myself. Things are no better than dynoes!
Stingy bench doesn't mean its not true!

Plenty of aftermarket 23* heads break 300cfms, and some totally destroy it when hand ported.
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Originally Posted by Puck
Stingy bench doesn't mean its not true!

Plenty of aftermarket 23* heads break 300cfms, and some totally destroy it when hand ported.


very true.

my AFR 195cc comp ports break the 300cfm barrier, and they are out of the box.
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Originally Posted by Puck
Stingy bench doesn't mean its not true!

Plenty of aftermarket 23* heads break 300cfms, and some totally destroy it when hand ported.
Yep, real heads, not stuff your able to buy and bolt on your LT1 stuff Some 23 degree heads go mid upper 300s, but your not getting them for $2xxx either
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my LE ported TFS make over 300cfm
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Dose anyone know the part # for intake and exhaust valves that will fit these heads?
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The heads come with 2.02/1.60" valves.
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Originally Posted by kgkern01
The heads come with 2.02/1.60" valves.
Not if you buy them BARE.

I was told these are the ones that come w/ them.

TFS-51400211-8 2/02 INTAKE VALVE SET 93.95
TFS-51400212-8 1/60 EXHAUST VALVE SET 86.95
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Good point, I forgot about the bare castings.



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