Bbk or pace
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Listen bro I've been on this site for a while now and helped several guys with their set ups and never once had any issues with a single person. The day I take your advise and get lost is the day hell freezes over. Obviously I'm not the only one that's called you out on your lack of knowledge so it is what it is end of discussion.
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Yes, it's clearly based on the scientific mathematical formula where:
(1 - (Burnout Time Till Popped Tire ÷ Radius of Said Tire)) × (Weight of Car ÷ 2) ÷ 2 = RW TQ in ft/lbs.
To find the RWHP it's simple as you take the RW TQ and multiply by .85 for M6 or .78 for A4
Example: My car with shorties, full exhaust and CAI.
8mins till tire poppage ÷ 13" (assuming 26" tire) = 0.61538461538461538461538461538462, we'll say 0.6154
1 - 0.6154 = 0.3846.
3500lbs ÷ 2 = 1750
0.3846 × 1750 = 673.05
673.05 ÷ 2 = 336.525ft/lbs at the wheels.
HP would be:
etc etc
336.525 × .85 = 286.05HP at the wheels. M6
336.525 × .78 = 262.49HP at the wheels. A4
(NOTE: I made all that up, I absolutely suck at math to boot, but it's believable numbers huh?)
(1 - (Burnout Time Till Popped Tire ÷ Radius of Said Tire)) × (Weight of Car ÷ 2) ÷ 2 = RW TQ in ft/lbs.
To find the RWHP it's simple as you take the RW TQ and multiply by .85 for M6 or .78 for A4
Example: My car with shorties, full exhaust and CAI.
8mins till tire poppage ÷ 13" (assuming 26" tire) = 0.61538461538461538461538461538462, we'll say 0.6154
1 - 0.6154 = 0.3846.
3500lbs ÷ 2 = 1750
0.3846 × 1750 = 673.05
673.05 ÷ 2 = 336.525ft/lbs at the wheels.
HP would be:
etc etc
336.525 × .85 = 286.05HP at the wheels. M6
336.525 × .78 = 262.49HP at the wheels. A4
(NOTE: I made all that up, I absolutely suck at math to boot, but it's believable numbers huh?)
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It has been widely accepted that long tubes make more power and torque than shorties - period. This is not debatable. You're spouting off that shorties make more torque in every application, not because you've conducted extensive testing on an engine dyno using different exhaust components, but because you have "been in races" and you've "seen and felt the difference."
And you wonder why you're getting flak. You're making yourself out to be some type of header pro when your suggestion claims otherwise, and goes against almost ever person in this forum - including myself.
And about Edelbrock - they're trying to sell a product. Of course they're going to claim they make more power/torque. Perhaps you'll suggest that their new "air gap" manifold is worth it too?
If you feel shorties will give you torque, more power to you (or, would that be less power to you?). You won't catch me with Edelbrock shorties on my car. Garbage.
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Oh, STALKER!
I'm now kinda curious if my formula actually would hold up lol Anyone got some crap rims and $100 to spend on some FUZION tires to test it out?
Wal-Mart stocker...haha! Ok ok yeah Stalker...lol OWNED myself on that one...or you did!
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I dont bother reading stupid messes.. im sure no one does either.. !!!!For torque!!!!!!!Stock-bolt on cars!!!!!! prefer shorties to long tubes. Cammed, h/c cars obviously prefer lt's, im not debating that, its obvious. Dont worry if you need clarification im not a "header dyno expert watcher whatever. Any body thats made the swap will tell you same. Some of yous really need to clean your stuff up.