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Old May 10, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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These good?

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http://www.jegs.com/i/ARP/070/134-6003/10002/-1

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http://www.jegs.com/i/ARP/070/134-3601/10002/-1
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Old May 10, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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For PM (powdered metal) LT1 rods (stock on all 95-97 and some 94s, but no 93s or half 94s), use ARP specific 134-6005 rod bolts, even though people can and do use the 134-6003 that you posted. If you have GM pink rods (used in all 93s and most of the 94s) then use teh 134-6003 bolts you posted.

The way you can tell if you have pink rods or PM rods is that the pink rods have a flattened 'weight' area on the top of the rod cap. If the top of the rod caps are smooth with no machined flat rectangular weight than you have PM rods.

The head bolts you posted are the correct ones for a LT1. You can also get them in a half-stainless half-black oxide kit that has all the external block bolts in stainless.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 04:10 PM
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Thank you!
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Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
For PM (powdered metal) The way you can tell if you have pink rods or PM rods is that the pink rods have a flattened 'weight' area on the top of the rod cap. If the top of the rod caps are smooth with no machined flat rectangular weight than you have PM rods.
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So I just got home and checked my rods in the 355 and they have a boxed type end in the piston, not smooth.
So this means I have the pink rods? Wich are much stronger if I remember correcty? !!!!!
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Old May 10, 2009 | 04:50 PM
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Yeah the powdered metal ones were supposed to be better but seems like everyone I know that races these in stock classes says the only thing they ever wore out besides optis was rod caps
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Old May 10, 2009 | 04:54 PM
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Powedered metal rods are by far stronger than Pink rods. They will actually deform vs breaking at thier limit, which is HIGHER than the pink rods.

And, yes, I have run itno that situation as well, so it is first hand experience.
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so i got the weak rods? Or more like brittle rods?
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
so i got the weak rods? Or more like brittle rods?
Slightly weaker and yes, more likely to actually break at the limit vs deform.
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When getting machine work done ask the machinist what he wants.

If you choose the rod bolts and then there is a rod bearing problem he will blame your parts. Let him choose and he has to be a little more objective IF there is a problem.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
When getting machine work done ask the machinist what he wants.

If you choose the rod bolts and then there is a rod bearing problem he will blame your parts. Let him choose and he has to be a little more objective IF there is a problem.
And a lot of times a machinist will not know about a LT1 specific application part unless it is brought to thier attention.

If it is an ARP bolt, and comes in an ARP package and is installed by the machinist and fails he knows he needs to bring the issue up with ARP. For him to blame an application specific part means you should never use the guy as your machinist in the first place.

ARP came out with the 6005 rod bolts so that they didn't have the problem of 'eating' at the cap-side of a PM rod the way the 6003 bolts tend to do after repeated disassembly/assembly.
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Old May 10, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 95 TA - The Beast
And a lot of times a machinist will not know about a LT1 specific application part unless it is brought to thier attention.

If it is an ARP bolt, and comes in an ARP package and is installed by the machinist and fails he knows he needs to bring the issue up with ARP. For him to blame an application specific part means you should never use the guy as your machinist in the first place.

ARP came out with the 6005 rod bolts so that they didn't have the problem of 'eating' at the cap-side of a PM rod the way the 6003 bolts tend to do after repeated disassembly/assembly.
You should never use a machinist not familiar with LTX's in the first place anyway.

They are just different enough from an SBC to get you in trouble, and it has happened to many people. The famous 10.0:1CR or less LT1 rebuild is a great example.
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Originally Posted by Puck
You should never use a machinist not familiar with LTX's in the first place anyway.

They are just different enough from an SBC to get you in trouble, and it has happened to many people. The famous 10.0:1CR or less LT1 rebuild is a great example.
This is why I schooled my builder before he tackled my build.
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
This is why I schooled my builder before he tackled my build.
I guess that works! Even though I would rather him have schooled himself on a couple of OTHER peoples engines first though! .
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I guess that works! Even though I would rather him have schooled himself on a couple of OTHER peoples engines first though! .
True that. I'm lucky my guys have been doing all sorts of motors for like 50 years. Wayne Calvert here in Denton, Texas is a genius and they've done lots of LT1 work.
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Originally Posted by AChotrod
so i got the weak rods? Or more like brittle rods?
It's pretty rare though to actually see rods break though it has happened. The rod bolts would most likely go first. Honestly I wouldn't worry about it. But maybe that'll get you started on that 396 sooner
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Old May 10, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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So should I be good to 7K if I do these rod bolts
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Originally Posted by gregrob
So should I be good to 7K if I do these rod bolts
Honestly can't see why that would be a problem. ARP makes good stuff. There are guys spinning past 6500 on stock bolts so the ARP bolts won't have a problem as long as the other parts are good enough to handle that kind of RPM.
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Originally Posted by gregrob
Will these head bolts work for a 1996 Trans Am??
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Old May 13, 2009 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
Will these head bolts work for a 1996 Trans Am??
Any LT1.
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so if the stock rods are still good to spin to 7k, what are the limits of them? rev or power wise
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