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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 02:33 AM
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So I have a set of 1.6 roller rockers I was going to install, but I found a REALLY good deal on a set of 1.7 roller rockers - will these fit under the stock valve covers?

Here are the roller rockers in question - I also noticed it says for Chevy Small Blocks 265-400, is that right for the LT1?
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I was going to be putting in a CC503 and Crane Valve Springs too.

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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 04:26 AM
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i dont think on a lt1.. ls1 yes lt1 no.
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Yes they will work on your LT1. Your lift with those 1.7 rockers will be .569"/.578".

They will fit under stock valve covers, I would trim the supports.

OP, my buddy needs some 1.6 rr's. How much?
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 04:41 PM
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the 1.7's will fit under stock valve covers. You just have to trim as if you were going with big body rr's. I used to run them in the past.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 04:52 PM
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Yes they will work on your LT1. Your lift with those 1.7 rockers will be .569"/.578".

They will fit under stock valve covers, I would trim the supports.

OP, my buddy needs some 1.6 rr's. How much?
Well the thing is I would be trading my 1.6's for them.

His are NSA and mine are SA, so I'm just having a hard time deciding if I should do it.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 06:02 PM
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Best thing to do is: if he will do it. Take one of his 1.7's off and put it on your car and see how far it travels at max lift. Some times the rr will travel to far off the push rod and can cause damage, once it slipped off. And just remember that with NSA you will need to buy guide plates to make sure they stay aligned.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Armyman2445
Best thing to do is: if he will do it. Take one of his 1.7's off and put it on your car and see how far it travels at max lift. Some times the rr will travel to far off the push rod and can cause damage, once it slipped off. And just remember that with NSA you will need to buy guide plates to make sure they stay aligned.

well, we cant exactly do that cuz hes in arizona and im in north carolina lol
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Best thing to do is: if he will do it. Take one of his 1.7's off and put it on your car and see how far it travels at max lift. Some times the rr will travel to far off the push rod and can cause damage, once it slipped off. And just remember that with NSA you will need to buy guide plates to make sure they stay aligned.
I'd be changing the pushrods anyway, so wouldn't I be able to just get longer ones?

What makes me nervous is the 1.6's say this:
Chevrolet V-8 305-350
Self Aligning 3/8 Vortec
While the 1.7's say this:
Chevy V-8 265-400
Small Block Chevy
Are those two interchangeable?
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Originally Posted by Counted Out
I'd be changing the pushrods anyway, so wouldn't I be able to just get longer ones?

What makes me nervous is the 1.6's say this:


While the 1.7's say this:


Are those two interchangeable?
You should measure to see what length pushrod your engine requires.

They should be interchangeable.
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Old Jul 13, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
You should measure to see what length pushrod your engine requires.

They should be interchangeable.
I should have reworded how I put that - I will be measuring for, then ordering, new pushrods after I decide on a lifter.
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Why dont more people run 1.7 rr's, dont they pick up another 10rwhp?
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Would also like to know if there is a gain between 1.6's and 1.7's.
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Originally Posted by OddballLt1
Why dont more people run 1.7 rr's, dont they pick up another 10rwhp?
I was curious to this too. If they fit under the stock valve covers, and cost about the same, you would think more people would go with them.
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Originally Posted by Counted Out
I was curious to this too. If they fit under the stock valve covers, and cost about the same, you would think more people would go with them.

Cost. yes the 1.7's cost about the same as 1.6's. But the springs to handle the extra lift is another story. Its been a rule of thumb to have .025 more lift in a spring (over max lift) as a safety buffer. Most people think of running 918's when they do a cam swap. That give you .600 lift take away .025 and you have .575.

Plus the 1.7rr is starting to catch on with the LT1. With LSX tech getting better, and time passing, more and more parts are found to be interchangable with little or no modifications. Look back at springs before the LSX motor debuted. A spring that could handle .600 was a pricey thing (and considered High Performance part). And since the LTX platform is a Gen 2 motor, and it wasnt around long enough and people didnt have time to see what would work. LSX came along with its .600+ lift cams, meant supply and demand came into effect. Causing prices to go down and high spring rates to emerge.
It used to be something back in the day for a DD car to have over .600 lift with 1.6rr. Now it is a common thing. I mean 1.8's are common on an LS1. Just waiting for someone to mount some of these on an LT1.
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Old Jul 14, 2009 | 05:10 PM
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So it wouldn't be safe to run the CC503 and Crane Dual Springs?

If I know the lift on 1.5 Roller Rockers, how do I find out the lift on 1.7's?

I think ss.slp.ls1 did the math for the CC503 for me, but I'm curious to how to get those numbers.
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Originally Posted by Counted Out
So it wouldn't be safe to run the CC503 and Crane Dual Springs?

If I know the lift on 1.5 Roller Rockers, how do I find out the lift on 1.7's?

I think ss.slp.ls1 did the math for the CC503 for me, but I'm curious to how to get those numbers.
Lift w/ 1.5 rockers is .503/.510.
Divide the lift by 1.5 and multiply by 1.7, that's it.

.503/1.5*1.7 = ~.570
.510/1.5*1.7 = .578

Also many times you will get the lobe lift spec along with you advertised cam specs. The lobe lift for the CC503 is .335/.340. Just multiply those lifts by whatever ratio rocker you are using to get max lift.

So the lift with 1.7 rr's would be ~.570/.578
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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This all sounds great, but why not just go with a bigger cam if your searching for more lift? I could understand this if you were stock or pushing shelf cams, but most of us that are this worried are running custom cams right?
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Nobody answered my question though.. Why havent many people gone with 1.7 rockers. They have to be worth some kind of power? They take the stock cam from .450 to .510 compared to .480 with 1.6's. Anybody run these on a bolton car?
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^^^^^
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Originally Posted by OddballLt1
Nobody answered my question though.. Why havent many people gone with 1.7 rockers. They have to be worth some kind of power? They take the stock cam from .450 to .510 compared to .480 with 1.6's. Anybody run these on a bolton car?
I will be soon. Just have to get around to putting mine on. As soon as my buddy and I can get some more free time, they'll be going on. I've had them and my valve springs laying around my room for way too long now. lol
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