LTX block is cancelled
10-31-2009, 02:25 PM
#62
On a couple builds I have seen friends go through several potential cores that the machine would reject for what ever reason, so good cores are some what tricky to find. I agree with the fact that 99% of the builds are well within the factory blocks limits, I have seen the factory blocks handle 700HP+ on forced induction and nitrous set ups. People claim the stock bores suck for motor builds, but how many builds are really getting every thing out of a 396 or 383 or even a stock short block? Not really suprised the SHP block got cancelled, sucks, but oh well. I think the market for them left the station 10 years ago.
10-31-2009, 04:44 PM
#63
WHAT? You can build a 383/396 with the right heads(23*) and make 600hp
on pumpgas ALL MOTOR with the stock block. Why in the HELL would you pop for a Dart block? If you wanted to make some REAL power with an LT1 build a 396 with some SB2's and make 700hp on pumpgas, its already been done with the stock block.
The guys whining in this thread couldnt take advantage of the Dart block ANYWAY.
This is the EXACT reason why Dart backed off of making this block. The LT1 is an entry level car that most young people are not gonna be able to afford a build that requires that block. Most cant afford a build to max out the stock block.
Hell you can make a 410 inch LT1, its been done.
You guys want power, it aint in the block. Spend some money on the top end of your 383 or 396 to make some power. The combos are out there and are proven.
10-31-2009, 05:06 PM
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Everybody's situation is different. I agree that the only reason I really wanted this block was the "427" bragging rights and increased torque potential.
I personally have been bound to keeping my car. My very sick grandpa had a 67 Firebird and drove my 97 WS6 and told me if I ever sold it he would turn over in his grave. Despite the inadequacies and potential design flaws of the LT1 that was fixed with all the new engines out there (ls1, ls2, ls3, ls7, ls9, the list goes on and on), I will still stay true to my car because it has sentimental value to me now more than it did before. This was also the first car I completely fell in love with. Bought it my senior year of high school and despite how "old" it is, people always compliment it (except those D-bags in Audis, BMW's, and Mercedes in my school whose daddy's bought them anything)
The stock LTx block has more potential than 99.9% of us will ever need to use; including myself. I'll stick to my eventual 355 custom turbo or supercharger build. To each is their own!
I personally have been bound to keeping my car. My very sick grandpa had a 67 Firebird and drove my 97 WS6 and told me if I ever sold it he would turn over in his grave. Despite the inadequacies and potential design flaws of the LT1 that was fixed with all the new engines out there (ls1, ls2, ls3, ls7, ls9, the list goes on and on), I will still stay true to my car because it has sentimental value to me now more than it did before. This was also the first car I completely fell in love with. Bought it my senior year of high school and despite how "old" it is, people always compliment it (except those D-bags in Audis, BMW's, and Mercedes in my school whose daddy's bought them anything)
The stock LTx block has more potential than 99.9% of us will ever need to use; including myself. I'll stick to my eventual 355 custom turbo or supercharger build. To each is their own!
10-31-2009, 05:20 PM
#65
FFB, I agree with you except for the fact that when you add up the machine work to make the stock block a big stroker, you could have had the Dart block for just a little more, given they had stuck close to the pricing they had hinted at.
While not a lot of people can afford builds that max out the stock block, many people DO build 383/396's all the time. To have the monster tq for a street motor and have the headroom to grow at a price not a lot higher than a stroker prepped stock block is where this block would have had its niche.
Its all a moot point now, though.
While not a lot of people can afford builds that max out the stock block, many people DO build 383/396's all the time. To have the monster tq for a street motor and have the headroom to grow at a price not a lot higher than a stroker prepped stock block is where this block would have had its niche.
Its all a moot point now, though.
10-31-2009, 06:41 PM
#66
WHAT? You can build a 383/396 with the right heads(23*) and make 600hp
on pumpgas ALL MOTOR with the stock block. Why in the HELL would you pop for a Dart block? If you wanted to make some REAL power with an LT1 build a 396 with some SB2's and make 700hp on pumpgas, its already been done with the stock block.
on pumpgas ALL MOTOR with the stock block. Why in the HELL would you pop for a Dart block? If you wanted to make some REAL power with an LT1 build a 396 with some SB2's and make 700hp on pumpgas, its already been done with the stock block.
-torque potential
-by the time i did splayed main caps to a stock block alone id already be at $500, let alone the machining... why not have more potential while im spending the money?
-stronger block, even if i dont need it.
The guys whining in this thread couldnt take advantage of the Dart block ANYWAY.
This is the EXACT reason why Dart backed off of making this block. The LT1 is an entry level car that most young people are not gonna be able to afford a build that requires that block. Most cant afford a build to max out the stock block.
This is the EXACT reason why Dart backed off of making this block. The LT1 is an entry level car that most young people are not gonna be able to afford a build that requires that block. Most cant afford a build to max out the stock block.
Other people whinning is not my problem. No i couldnt afford this block now but that doesnt mean i wasnt saving for it. Dart should not give a damn if i intend to make 450 rwhp or 800. As long as the money is in their hands they are profitting and frankly these street builds would only be helping sales so that the block could actually be produced in the first place and bought by racers. Dart probably wouldnt have even considered building it if it would only have only sold to the small sub-9 second racing crowd.
Im not going to argue that I NEED 427ci but if it only costs a few hundred more in the long run, tell me why the hell wouldnt I? (We never got to see what the pricing was going to be so you cant say i wasnt being hopeful) A wilder top end can hurt driveability whereas increased cubes do not. Just because 700hp has been done doesnt mean it was street friendly.
10-31-2009, 06:44 PM
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I wanted the torque that 427+ cubes provide... not everyone wants to build a ***** out race motor.
Sure it can all be done on a 383ci, but it will have less torque and that's what I was after.
A healthy 434ci peaking around 6500-6800, would have kicked the pants off the same setup running with 383ci.. I don't care how you slice it.
Sucks... I had hopes, but like everyone else, was almost expecting this.
Sure it can all be done on a 383ci, but it will have less torque and that's what I was after.
A healthy 434ci peaking around 6500-6800, would have kicked the pants off the same setup running with 383ci.. I don't care how you slice it.
Sucks... I had hopes, but like everyone else, was almost expecting this.
11-01-2009, 10:01 AM
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you know, not every one is going to want a 427 with big heads. if i have my cubs right, you can still build a 414 with a set of real good ported heads and have a midddle of the rod motor making 550 hp.
11-01-2009, 09:22 PM
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$1500 is not bad for a block that would be totally ready to go, I know I was going to purchase one. Just think of all the money ou spend to recondition the stock block; align bore, cylinder bore, hot tank, decking, etc.... it all adds up
11-01-2009, 09:38 PM
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I know someone local who bought a gen 1 SHP block, they are NOT ready to go. They are a good foundation but they still need further machining, this was not going to be cheaper than machining a LT1 block.
Maybe for the first time ever I agree with fatboy. The overwhelming majority saying we need this block one would not have put up the cash once it was available and two IF they put up the cash would not have done it justice.
You want torque try building one RIGHT. The builds that lack torque were just done wrong. I already have trouble managing the torque I have, a stroker even just a 383 should be very hard to manage in a true street car.
Maybe for the first time ever I agree with fatboy. The overwhelming majority saying we need this block one would not have put up the cash once it was available and two IF they put up the cash would not have done it justice.
You want torque try building one RIGHT. The builds that lack torque were just done wrong. I already have trouble managing the torque I have, a stroker even just a 383 should be very hard to manage in a true street car.
11-01-2009, 09:47 PM
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the project has been toast for months, they just anounced it.
the stock blocks are plenty strong if you ask me. i mean of all the guys here who want one, how many plan on making over 1000 at the crank????
all i have to say is lswhat?????
the stock blocks are plenty strong if you ask me. i mean of all the guys here who want one, how many plan on making over 1000 at the crank????
all i have to say is lswhat?????
11-01-2009, 10:00 PM
#75
Duane everybody out there wanted this block for tq doesnt have a "bad build" that "lacks tq".
Maybe they wantwed MORE torque...
The kind of brutal crap your pants tq you get from a 500" big block.
I agree with you that builds that arent put together wont run efficiently, but you cant make the assumption that everyone who had an interest in this block doesnt know how to build an engine and wanted to use it for a bandaid
Maybe they wantwed MORE torque...
The kind of brutal crap your pants tq you get from a 500" big block.
I agree with you that builds that arent put together wont run efficiently, but you cant make the assumption that everyone who had an interest in this block doesnt know how to build an engine and wanted to use it for a bandaid
11-02-2009, 12:04 AM
#77
Like was mentioned above, LT1s can make up to 700hp on pump gas N/A. And It's not like a lot of people are hitting that barrier...how many 700hp LT1's do you see anyway?
Having a "427" or a "454" is cool, but mostly pointless-it's like the whole WS6/SS vs. a base model Formula/TA or a Z28....it's mostly badges and bragging rights-not really all that much "better" functionally
...when it comes down to it, the real applicable differences are miniscule...the biggest difference seems to be the money you spend...jmo
Having a "427" or a "454" is cool, but mostly pointless-it's like the whole WS6/SS vs. a base model Formula/TA or a Z28....it's mostly badges and bragging rights-not really all that much "better" functionally
...when it comes down to it, the real applicable differences are miniscule...the biggest difference seems to be the money you spend...jmo
11-02-2009, 06:05 AM
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Thanks guys... I mean for a moment there, I guess I just wanted more cubes to work with.
Now that I realize more cubic inches suck... I'm just going to leave her at the stock 5.7 displacement. What a moron I am for wanting more options.
Now I'm going to go make fun of all the big cube LSX donkeys and tell them how they are compensating for lack of build skills by heaping on loads and loads of unneeded displacement.
Now that I realize more cubic inches suck... I'm just going to leave her at the stock 5.7 displacement. What a moron I am for wanting more options.
Now I'm going to go make fun of all the big cube LSX donkeys and tell them how they are compensating for lack of build skills by heaping on loads and loads of unneeded displacement.
11-02-2009, 06:25 AM
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The guys whining in this thread couldnt take advantage of the Dart block ANYWAY.
This is the EXACT reason why Dart backed off of making this block. The LT1 is an entry level car that most young people are not gonna be able to afford a build that requires that block. Most cant afford a build to max out the stock block.
This is the EXACT reason why Dart backed off of making this block. The LT1 is an entry level car that most young people are not gonna be able to afford a build that requires that block. Most cant afford a build to max out the stock block.
11-02-2009, 06:33 AM
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Thanks guys... I mean for a moment there, I guess I just wanted more cubes to work with.
Now that I realize more cubic inches suck... I'm just going to leave her at the stock 5.7 displacement. What a moron I am for wanting more options.
Now I'm going to go make fun of all the big cube LSX donkeys and tell them how they are compensating for lack of build skills by heaping on loads and loads of unneeded displacement.
Now that I realize more cubic inches suck... I'm just going to leave her at the stock 5.7 displacement. What a moron I am for wanting more options.
Now I'm going to go make fun of all the big cube LSX donkeys and tell them how they are compensating for lack of build skills by heaping on loads and loads of unneeded displacement.