Where did they all go?
11-07-2009, 11:54 AM
#81
I know you know the answers to this, but you keep wanting to argue that it costs the same as true LTx parts. A friend and I built a 410ci LT1 with a set of ProAction heads converted for reverse flow cooling. Even with getting cost on all new parts and buying the heads used, I still had almost $3k in the heads alone. With a converted single plane, shaftmounts, etc..., the bill is over $5500 for the top end. That is well beyond a set of new AFR's or good ported LT1 castings with a standard intake manifold.
Sure, converted heads will make more power.....but it comes at a price. And that price is considerably more than stock "style" LTx stuff.
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11-07-2009, 02:37 PM
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I've been on car forums and mailing lists since they started and **** talk was rampant everywhere, but most everyone took it in stride because it was all about racing and improving a car by motivation. Most everyone involved in **** talk raced. That's hardly the case anymore.
11-07-2009, 04:53 PM
#84
Here is the deal with that. Six plus years ago how many vendors were on the forums that had components worthy of good results? I can think of only one- Craig Gallant of Gallant Technical Performance. He was the rock star basically throughout the 90's and into the early 2000's. Everyone knew it. AFR work was ****. LG was ****. MTI was ****. There were great local head porters everywhere, but like today, everyone wanted to go with a proven performer and GTP was it. There was never at least two well known shops on the internet that were as popular as there are today.
I've been on car forums and mailing lists since they started and **** talk was rampant everywhere, but most everyone took it in stride because it was all about racing and improving a car by motivation. Most everyone involved in **** talk raced. That's hardly the case anymore.
I've been on car forums and mailing lists since they started and **** talk was rampant everywhere, but most everyone took it in stride because it was all about racing and improving a car by motivation. Most everyone involved in **** talk raced. That's hardly the case anymore.
even before tech's time.
11-07-2009, 05:38 PM
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Here's another reason they are all gone, and one reason why I don't hang out here much anymore either
https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-m...1-pos-lol.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/lt1-lt4-m...1-pos-lol.html
11-07-2009, 07:50 PM
#86
In what way?
With the stock computer maybe, but there is still a very large market for aftermarket LTX computers. Just not on the forums. There are well over 100 active LT1 racers running NHRA and IHRA Stock/SS. Almost every one runs 10's N/A.
..and.....are easier to tune.
11-08-2009, 08:12 AM
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Here is the scenario: A thread is started about how to build a 500rwhp LT1 stroker. The thread has 35 different people posting their opinion.....of which only 5-10 of them actually own (or have owned) a LT1 stroker. Now probably half of those people actually built/spec'd the motor themselves, and half of that half actually have a motor that really peforms like the thread topic (500rwhp) was asking for. So, in my opinion, you have 2-3 people in these threads that actually have the credentials to answer the questions asked. For the other 30+ people that have posted an opinion, their pride gets hurt by information from others that they believe is wrong, and it turns into teen-dramafest. Now we have hundreds of people reading these threads and it just propagates from there
Add all that to the norm of "under performing" LT1 combos becoming the "standard" for LT1 performance, and uneducated LT1 owners trying to give advanced technical advice to others (with no real experience) and it's no wonder people don't like the LT1.
Jason
11-09-2009, 06:20 PM
#88
Jason, were you a part of the lt1edit archives? I remember the wealth of knowledge on there up until about the last year it was operating. All the mis-information led the originals to leave. I remember Christian, LJ Stevens, Jordon Musser, Chris B, Ellis, etc. Those were some real good discussions back then. Those guys are still around, I still talk to some of them on occasion.
I haven't talke to most of those guys in a while, but I know Ellis is on here. I usually talk to Jordon once/twice a year to say hey. LJ sold his car, and I haven't heard what Christian is up to.Jason
11-09-2009, 09:44 PM
#90
I personally think there is a lot of untapped potential (at least for the dollar) in the LTx platform with the new trick flow heads and the ability to convert to an LS1 pcm.
For instance, i never wanted to go solid roller in the past because of ignition and PCM constraints and therefore i talked myself into a mild build. Now that these new options are out I cant wait to take a stab at making some serious power.
I completely agree with this thread though, i also miss reading some of the old expert's posts. Especially mindgame.
For instance, i never wanted to go solid roller in the past because of ignition and PCM constraints and therefore i talked myself into a mild build. Now that these new options are out I cant wait to take a stab at making some serious power.
I completely agree with this thread though, i also miss reading some of the old expert's posts. Especially mindgame.
11-09-2009, 09:55 PM
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This thread is kind of depressing, I got to page 3 and started contemplating an LSX swap, page 4 and I was searching classifieds for an LQ4 block but then I realized that I have 3k+ into an LT1 stroker build that I haven't even put heads on yet. To change gears now it would mean certain poverty and a probable divorce. Oh well maybe next year, until then I will be chasing oil leaks and reading countless threads about Optispark failures and the heartache they caused, then wondering how the same thread turned into an AI vs LE stalemate.
11-09-2009, 10:20 PM
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i think those cars are awsome but just too little tunning for them, oil leaks, optispark, etc...i personally love lt1 i think they have way more character than LS1 as far as the camaro... no doubt if i find a 6 speed teal LT1 like wiked94 ill buy it in a second...that car is so badass.....there is people i think that see it from the economic stand point, if you dump 2 grand into a ls1 car and the same into a lt1 car the ls1 is always going to net more power.....and the people that have lt1 now as mentioned before are diehards that just want to say **** you to everything that is mainstream and easy.......lol
love lt1 and ls1. like back in the day when all people were on the sbc, but then a few never wanted to get out of the flathead motors knowing that the sbc was easier and faster.......
love lt1 and ls1. like back in the day when all people were on the sbc, but then a few never wanted to get out of the flathead motors knowing that the sbc was easier and faster.......
11-09-2009, 10:39 PM
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My biggest regret thusfar has been not knowing how to tune my own damn car, and at this point with the limited LT1 edit knowledge floating around these days it seems, I doubt I will be.
I hope to get my car tuned locally this year, get a spool in there, drop some weight and see about a 10 second pass...
I hope to get my car tuned locally this year, get a spool in there, drop some weight and see about a 10 second pass...
11-09-2009, 11:56 PM
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My biggest regret thusfar has been not knowing how to tune my own damn car, and at this point with the limited LT1 edit knowledge floating around these days it seems, I doubt I will be.
I hope to get my car tuned locally this year, get a spool in there, drop some weight and see about a 10 second pass...
I hope to get my car tuned locally this year, get a spool in there, drop some weight and see about a 10 second pass...
.I'm fed up with tuning the LTX PCM, and an extra 1,000 rpm to play with wouldn't hurt either!
11-10-2009, 08:26 AM
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Here is the scenario: A thread is started about how to build a 500rwhp LT1 stroker. The thread has 35 different people posting their opinion.....of which only 5-10 of them actually own (or have owned) a LT1 stroker. Now probably half of those people actually built/spec'd the motor themselves, and half of that half actually have a motor that really peforms like the thread topic (500rwhp) was asking for. So, in my opinion, you have 2-3 people in these threads that actually have the credentials to answer the questions asked. For the other 30+ people that have posted an opinion, their pride gets hurt by information from others that they believe is wrong, and it turns into teen-dramafest. Now we have hundreds of people reading these threads and it just propagates from there
Jason
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I think people ignore real results with real cars. Mosts just post what they want to hear and hope for a responce that agrees with them. For instance, some guys want the biggest flowing parts out there, but don't want to rev it fast enough for those parts to actually become required. At 6,000 RPM a 383 at 100% VE (the vast majority of engines never go beyond 85-90%) is 665 CFM. So a big single plane and a 1000 CFM TB are pointless, never the less people all think thats what they need to go fast. That is a very expensive way to operate, and will surely lead to a let down.
11-10-2009, 10:30 AM
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My biggest regret thusfar has been not knowing how to tune my own damn car, and at this point with the limited LT1 edit knowledge floating around these days it seems, I doubt I will be.
I hope to get my car tuned locally this year, get a spool in there, drop some weight and see about a 10 second pass...
I hope to get my car tuned locally this year, get a spool in there, drop some weight and see about a 10 second pass...
11-10-2009, 02:16 PM
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11-10-2009, 02:38 PM
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I really don't get why you guys are so closed minded when it comes to aftermarket computers. Almost every really fast LTX out there runs DFI, FAST, etc. Very few run the stock computer. It kills me when you get so excited about all the different band aids that get peddled on this forum. I purchased a new Formula in 1995. The first thing to go was the factory computer for a then new GEN 6 DFI. I have never looked back!
11-10-2009, 02:54 PM
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I really don't get why you guys are so closed minded when it comes to aftermarket computers. Almost every really fast LTX out there runs DFI, FAST, etc. Very few run the stock computer. It kills me when you get so excited about all the different band aids that get peddled on this forum. I purchased a new Formula in 1995. The first thing to go was the factory computer for a then new GEN 6 DFI. I have never looked back!