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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 11:26 PM
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comp claims that their endurex lifters have an "oiling groove" for low rpm street use. What is that all about or is it total bs?
i have a set of the comp 886 lifters and they have the oiling hole as all endure x lifters do but these lifters have as well a slot that channels oil to the roller as well. These were specifically designed for use in street applications, as well as marine use. Not all endure x lifters have this option, only the 886 and 866 lifters have the additional grove milled into the body. I am currently taking these and selling, as i have gotten a set of red zones with the e z roll option for my new project that i plan to drive a lot, and they have no roller bearings to come apart.
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 07:56 AM
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Does anybody have a part number for the Morels?

The only place I could fin anything close was this site: http://www.wpparts.com/product.aspx?id=117
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
Does anybody have a part number for the Morels?

The only place I could fin anything close was this site: http://www.wpparts.com/product.aspx?id=117
Yea I've got it, I gotta look though, I'll post it up when I get home later tonight.
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
Does anybody have a part number for the Morels?

The only place I could fin anything close was this site: http://www.wpparts.com/product.aspx?id=117
I found them for you. I just spoke with Ron from Advanced Induction and he said he has a set on the shelf. Give them a call and you'll be all set, there really good people to deal with too. www.advancedinduction.com
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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I am setting up to run a MS4 cam right now, till I get my turbo setup together. What is the benefit to running the SR vs the HR? Can I run SR with the MS4?

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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 05:37 PM
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Solid roller for street use? You definitely need lifters with "pin oilers" or whatever they call it for low rpm use. For track only car? A good quality mechanical roller lifters made for all out racing is all you need.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 05:49 PM
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You guys make me wish I went SR now
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
I know how finnicky solid roller lifters can be on the street and for lower RPM use. So what are all of you guys running? How are the endurex lifters?

Well the reason nobody likes SR on the street is due to adjusting the valves. If they are set up right the from the get go you wont have to do it as much. I would say if it is a daily driver hell no to solid roller. But if you drive it everyonce in a while you cant beat the power band of a SR cam.
And the myth about SR not liking low rpms , I have a real aggressive HR and I can tell you it hates to idle around below 2k. So whats the difference might as well go with something that makes more power. I will go with a SR setup someday .
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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Anyone running a rev kit on their solid rollers to prolong lifter life or is this not necessary ? Just curious as I have a solid roller 383 with the crower Hippos and heard that a rev kit can benefit the lifters if the car sees street time.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BADMOON
Well the reason nobody likes SR on the street is due to adjusting the valves. If they are set up right the from the get go you wont have to do it as much. I would say if it is a daily driver hell no to solid roller. But if you drive it everyonce in a while you cant beat the power band of a SR cam.
And the myth about SR not liking low rpms , I have a real aggressive HR and I can tell you it hates to idle around below 2k. So whats the difference might as well go with something that makes more power. I will go with a SR setup someday .
Adjustments matter on your valvetrain components and the agressiveness of the lobes. I have a friend with a SR SBC with a smaller cam that is running stud mount rockers and he's adjusting every oil change. I'm running Jessel Shafts with good valve train and the only adjusting I've had to do is playing with the lash for power. With the right supporting valve train you should barely ever have to adjust them. But I would reccomend just checking them all on every oil change just to be safe. As for idleing below 2000 that could be a tune thing I've got a big ole SR cam that idles at 1200 with no problem at all.

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Anyone running a rev kit on their solid rollers to prolong lifter life or is this not necessary ? Just curious as I have a solid roller 383 with the crower Hippos and heard that a rev kit can benefit the lifters if the car sees street time.
I've never used one and don't really see the need for one. The purpose of the rev kit is to keep the lifter planted on the cam at higher rpm operation. Same rule applies here....with the correct springs/valvetrain you shouldn't need it. After about 60 passes and 1000 miles of street driving my rollers and cam look like they never even ran.

Hope this helps. And as for that MS4 cam I'm almost 99% that SR's would not work, but call the manufacturer of the cam.
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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The main problem with running a SR on the street is lifter wear caused by the valve lash. Even at idle, the lifter bearings are subjected to the sudden shock as the lash is taken up. Over time this results in lifter failures.

Different methods have been used to address this, including re-designing the lifters themselves.proving pressurized oil to the lifter bearings, modifing the lifter bores in the block, etc. One of the ways that has been around for as long as I can remember (and being 64 years old is a LONG time) is a rev kit.

The kit contains springs that contnually apply about 30# of pressure directly on the lifters to keep them seated against the cam's lobes thus eliminating the shock the lifter bearings have to endure. The kit also helps at high rpms allowing the lifters to remain in constant contact with the cam without having to resort to high valve spring pressures.

AFR has done testing on this and recommends the kit even on HR cams when rpms cross over the 6k zone. The kit, however has to be matched to the actual lifters being run, so, if you choose that option, make sure the kit you buy is compatible with your lifters.

The kit can be installed without pulling the heads, but the intake has to come off. Once installed, the kit needs no further adjustment. I ran one on a SR 468 BB as a daily driver.

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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JAKEJR
The kit can be installed without pulling the heads,
Nevermind everything else, but as far as this is concerned it depends on the lifters used. Since this thread is about SR applications and there is vast talk about using HIPPO lifters then yes the heads just may have to come off if said lifters are a dog bone style.
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Old Jan 8, 2010 | 10:27 AM
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I have heard very different things about a rev kit. Some swear by them and others say they are a gimmick...

The way I look at it is; if you have correct spring pressures then they arent needed. I however do understand what they are trying to do. Lifters in a solid roller are by far one of the most crucial components to a proper valvetrain, I want to do it right the first time.
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Old Jan 16, 2010 | 09:01 AM
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Thanks for all the help guys, but it looks like I wont be doing a SR after all

The cost of the BEST parts out there is more than my budget. Im not one to skimp on parts, especially in a performance application. I will just have to see how fast I can go with what I have now.

Thanks again!
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