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Old Nov 17, 2009 | 07:51 AM
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I know how finnicky solid roller lifters can be on the street and for lower RPM use. So what are all of you guys running? How are the endurex lifters?
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Old Nov 17, 2009 | 08:11 AM
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I know how finnicky solid roller lifters can be on the street and for lower RPM use. So what are all of you guys running? How are the endurex lifters?
finnicky? Not at all, I drive mine around all the time with a very agressive cam and Solid Roller Lifters. I'm not a huge fan of the endurex lifters, I've got the Morel HIPPO SR Lifters in mine and theyre mint! If you are going to street drive the car or idle below 1100 or so I would definatly put in HIPPO lifters (High Pressure Pin Oiling). If you run good valvetrain components it will last a very long time, and you shouldn't have to do much adjusting. I run a good PSI spring and Jesel Shaft Rockers with lightweight valvetrain components and I rev the **** out of mine. I check the lash everytime I change the oil and usually they never need to be adjusted, they hardly ever move. I say HIPPO lifters and Solild Roller it up!!!!!
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Old Nov 17, 2009 | 08:48 AM
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I say HIPPO lifters and Solild Roller it up!!!!!
Yes. If you are going to run a SR on the street then HIPPO lifters are a must. Depending on your bearing clearances and what style of oil pump you use you may experience a slight decrease in oil pressure (I have about a 10psi drop across the board), however if that happens and you feel uncomfortable with it you can easily correct it with a set of oil restricting pushrods from someone like Smith Brothers. I run the Isky Red Zone lifters. They are a link style/tall body lifter which allows me to run a nice short 6.125" pushrod for my setup.
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Old Nov 17, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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I have Comp Endurex in mine, 8500 trouble free miles. Little or no adjustment needed.

Cam is similar to SSRRR's, slightly larger. I wouldnt call it "agressive" by todays standards.

Run a good oil, keep it changed and keep good oil pressure at idle.
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Old Nov 17, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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There is nothing wrong with running a SR on the street. I don't get why everyone is so scared of that. Last time I checked, all of the high-performance muscle cars in the 60's ran solid lifters...
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hmmmm good to hear. makes me think solid roller is the way to go....
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I didnt mean finnicky as to say it coudnt be run on the street. I just know that when it comes to a solid roller setup the lifters arent the part to skimp out on. I was looking at the endurex, does anyone have any last words before pick up a set? Who makes HIPPO lifters?
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I didnt mean finnicky as to say it coudnt be run on the street. I just know that when it comes to a solid roller setup the lifters arent the part to skimp out on. I was looking at the endurex, does anyone have any last words before pick up a set? Who makes HIPPO lifters?
Alot of companies make High Pressure Pin Oiling lifters, I personally like Isky, the Morel's and the Crane's (Kind of hard to find now), I'm not a big comp fan but that just me alot of people have had good luck with them. I'd stick with Morel personally.
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Are the HIPPO lifters immune to any of the problems that would normally be associated with idling? Or is this just a good preventative measure?
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Are the HIPPO lifters immune to any of the problems that would normally be associated with idling? Or is this just a good preventative measure?
Regular SR Lifters (non-HIPPO) depend completely on oil splash to oil the rollers. In non-street motors this is fine becuase the engine is always twisting some kind of mid-hi rpm and creating plenty of splash on the rollers. On a street motor that is idling down below 1000 or so there is not enough splash created to keep the rolllers properly lubricated and cooled. For a street car that will be idling below 1000 and driven a bit I would definatly go with the HIPPO lifters. I idle above 1000 and I still went with them becuase I knew I would be street driving my car. Plus pressurized oiling on the rollers at high rpm isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

Are they required for the street, not necessarily, are they strongly reccomended, absolutly!!!
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
Regular SR Lifters (non-HIPPO) depend completely on oil splash to oil the rollers. In non-street motors this is fine becuase the engine is always twisting some kind of mid-hi rpm and creating plenty of splash on the rollers. On a street motor that is idling down below 1000 or so there is not enough splash created to keep the rolllers properly lubricated and cooled. For a street car that will be idling below 1000 and driven a bit I would definatly go with the HIPPO lifters. I idle above 1000 and I still went with them becuase I knew I would be street driving my car. Plus pressurized oiling on the rollers at high rpm isn't exactly a bad thing, either.

Are they required for the street, not necessarily, are they strongly reccomended, absolutly!!!
thanks that clears up alot but does that mean even a car with HIPPO lifters should idle above 1000 rpm?
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COMP claims that their endurex lifters have an "oiling groove" for low rpm street use. What is that all about or is it total bs?
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Originally Posted by JoeliusZ28
thanks that clears up alot but does that mean even a car with HIPPO lifters should idle above 1000 rpm?
no with pressurized pin oiling there is no need for splash so you can idle it down as low as you want
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
COMP claims that their endurex lifters have an "oiling groove" for low rpm street use. What is that all about or is it total bs?
I can't see how it works becuase it works off of draining oil from the top end/splash as far as I know. I'm not sure though I don't play around with the comp stuff, maybe FASTFATBOY can answer that one.
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
I can't see how it works becuase it works off of draining oil from the top end/splash as far as I know. I'm not sure though I don't play around with the comp stuff, maybe FASTFATBOY can answer that one.
I think the first design Endurex had an oiling "groove", mine do not. Only oil holes.
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Originally Posted by FASTFATBOY
I think the first design Endurex had an oiling "groove", mine do not. Only oil holes.
Are you running the cc 866-16 lifters?

*edit* probably running the 888-16? *edit*

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hmmm maybe I should just step up to the Morel HIPPO and call it good. I can get a really good deal on the endurex though, so thats why I was gonna go that route. The car will still be street driven, but not a daily by any means.

I DO NOT want to cut any corners with this.
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks

I DO NOT want to cut any corners with this.
Ryan, you summed it up perfectly with that statement. Solid roller lifters are completely NOT the area to skim at all on. I've had 4 solid roller street motors over the past 8 years and have learned the hard way on my first motor what happens when you run cheaper lifters. Of course, there are more lifter options now than there was back in 2002, but there has been alot of good advise in this thread. Go with the Morels, Crowers w/HIPPO, or Isky "Red Zone". I've had success with the EndureX lifters, but I will always choose the best lifters now for peace of mind. Spend the extra and be done with it.

Also make sure you have the proper valvespring. I've seen lifter failures from overly aggressive spring seat pressure.

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Ryan, you summed it up perfectly with that statement. Solid roller lifters are completely NOT the area to skim at all on. I've had 4 solid roller street motors over the past 8 years and have learned the hard way on my first motor what happens when you run cheaper lifters. Of course, there are more lifter options now than there was back in 2002, but there has been alot of good advise in this thread. Go with the Morels, Crowers w/HIPPO, or Isky "Red Zone". I've had success with the EndureX lifters, but I will always choose the best lifters now for peace of mind. Spend the extra and be done with it.

Also make sure you have the proper valvespring. I've seen lifter failures from overly aggressive spring seat pressure.

Jason
Absolutly, the lifters are the main part that takes the beating in a Solid Roller setup if you want to be sure and not skimp I would definatly go with the Morel HIPPO lifters. Also Jason had very good advice as well with the springs. Many people feel you need crazy spring pressure 275+ at the seat to run a solid roller, this is not true. With the right valvetrain for your cam/application you shouldn't need near this. I have an agressive cam with 225# at the seat, I have .047 Piston to Valve Clearance and I've shifted the car before at 8250rpm and have never experienced any kind of valve float. So that right there proves you do not need crazy spring pressure, light weight valvetrain parts are a must IMO and a good reputable spring company is also a good idea, I personally like the PSI Endurance Springs. I've got a set on mine and I tested two of them halfway through this year and they didn't loose any lb/rate at all.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks everyone for your input. This thread has helped me out a lot. Im not trying to build some half-assed motor so I want all of the best and most reliable componets I can get. Lloyd Elliott will be setting up and picking the springs to match the cam/heads combo, so I should really not have to worry about picking a correct spring pressure. It will be his job
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