LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

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Old 01-20-2010 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 97camaross
how are you guys replacing the springs with the heads in the car. like I know how to do it but I was just wondering if there it a trick or certian tool.
Overhead valve spring compressor.

Some of us were lucky enough to snag the Crane Cams compressor before they went out of business. Pretty sure there are a few copycats available somewhere.
Old 01-20-2010 | 11:31 AM
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^^ ok thanks I have a set of 1.6 RR sitting in my closet and im just debation if I should just wait till I pull my motor apart.
Old 01-20-2010 | 12:55 PM
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Looking at a set of push rods right now. However Im running a cc312 cam and hopefully a set of rollor rockers. Would it be better to stick with the stock length for the push rods?
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I use a Craftsman one from Sears that I had to customize to get my Dual-Coils on and off..
Old 01-20-2010 | 03:19 PM
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for the cam yes you got .02x in play that you are not running for lift..its pretty easy to understand...your cam has x amount of lift..but then you have your lifters,push rods and rockers before you get to the springs which open the valves as everyone knows an put a gap or preload on,it changes..

Now say on a solid roller or solid flat tappet you cam called for .026 for hot valve lash..that means you use a feeler gauge in adj your rockers till you can slide said gauge under them freely and then you tighten them down..so now with a .026 gap in your system the cam is making up for that slack on the lift side so there for your cam just went from having .486 lift to .460 because you put a gap in the system.

a hyd system is the same just when you use your preload thats what puts the gap there that is called for by the cam card you set your preload which is the same thing just you use your lifters instead..theres a reason why when you adj your valve lash on these cars your supposed to use a dial indicator gauge to see how much preload you are putting in the system...

engine master mag just did a test on hdy lifters on a gen 2 engine and they played with the preloads on 3 different lifters and went from .028 all the way down to only .003 i think it was if i remember right.they highly dont recommend .003 lol


if you watch pro stock style racing or other types of drag racing if they have a spring going dead then they will try and take up some of that problem with cutting the lash down on the valve from say your .026 to like .016 to make up for the weak spring if they dont have time to swap them out

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Ya..I guess I read it wrong..

I'm glad I don't have to set lash anymore..that's all I have to say..lol
Old 01-20-2010 | 04:54 PM
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lol yeah..funny part is that..its one of the most over looked things..people say i run this much lift and the spit the rest of the cam info out..ive made a quick 20$s here and there betting people that there not running that lift..its a sure bet most the time to..they whip out cam cards an **** at times and once you explain **** to them the money gets handed over..so thats why i asked what the stock spring rate or max lift is on here because once you factor in your lash thats like going from a 1.6 to a 1.5..i also dont run within .030" of what my max spring lift is..
Old 01-20-2010 | 06:31 PM
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Why not just get some LS6 springs? I got a set brand new for $66.
Old 01-21-2010 | 02:37 PM
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Alright got the rockers on order now. But what about guide plates, going to need a new set of those. Any suggestions?
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Originally Posted by 96blackta
Why not just get some LS6 springs? I got a set brand new for $66.
Will they fit a LT1..?
Old 01-21-2010 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by the_merv
Will they fit a LT1..?
I don't believe so.

Originally Posted by J-13gtp
Alright got the rockers on order now. But what about guide plates, going to need a new set of those. Any suggestions?
I am running trickflow guideplates and comp hardened pushrods, no problems here.
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That's what I thought..
Old 01-22-2010 | 01:19 AM
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Trickflow guideplates and pushrods. They work great andgood price.

You're buying pushrods as well I hope...
Old 01-22-2010 | 07:27 AM
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+1 for comp pro mag 1.6 RR. Go for the non-self aligning ones (NSA) and a good set of guideplates. I would NOT recommend upgrading your RRs without upgrading your springs, even though a few have gotten away with it.
Old 01-22-2010 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by J-13gtp
Alright got the rockers on order now. But what about guide plates, going to need a new set of those. Any suggestions?
Not to be a PITA, but you DID order NSA (non self-aligning) rockers, right?? The self-aligning rockers DO NOT use guide plates.




Just for the record, I'm using LT4 valve springs, Manley pushrods, and GM performance roller rockers......
Old 01-22-2010 | 10:56 AM
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I'm using scorpion full roller rockers NSA with 7/16 studs, comp cam hardened push rods and stock springs, and I've had no problems, the only problem I have now is trying to get traction lol. They made a pretty good difference though.
Old 01-22-2010 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by leadfoot4
Not to be a PITA, but you DID order NSA (non self-aligning) rockers, right?? The self-aligning rockers DO NOT use guide plates.




Just for the record, I'm using LT4 valve springs, Manley pushrods, and GM performance roller rockers......
Yeah I ordered non self aligning.
Old 01-22-2010 | 03:52 PM
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then trickflow guideplates and hardened pushrods and ur golden lol
Old 01-22-2010 | 05:10 PM
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I don't know where you guys got your information, but LS6 springs will fit with different retainers.
Old 01-22-2010 | 07:02 PM
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i suggest you guys look into stock lt1/ls1 valve spring diameters... 1.255", the ls6 springs are 1.290", which drop right in to the lt1 valve spring pocket. you need comp PN 787-16, which are special retainers for the beehive spring.




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