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Old May 2, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I've been in touch witl Lloyd, and he suggests a few things (budget allowing) Pistons, ARP rod bolts installed in stock rods, fresh boring, bearings, rungs, etc..
But didn't say they're mandatory... I'll see what the budget is like after our move (moving to the west coast in Sept.) and roll from there. Might have to put the build off for another year or so to afford the boring, and rotating assembly goodies.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 05:09 PM
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very mixed opinions on eagle parts. I personally have had very good luck with them
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Old May 2, 2010 | 05:26 PM
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If its a weekend car i would say your in good shape and wouldnt worry about the bottom end. If your dd'ing the car i would definetly think to upgrade it. I put a hotcam kit on our 95 with a 175,000kms on it and going with an AFR head and LE cam combo on my 94 with 351,000kms. If the motor hasnt given you issues and is running strong it will go for a long time. I have no doubt my car won't last 50,000km but im also prepared to a do a bottom end build in a year or two when she lets go. Its a weekend car that might hit the track once or twice a year so im in the same boat as you.

I say Giver!
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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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351,000 Km, and it's still running well? Unreal! Yeah, with the limited amount of driving the car gets, I think I'll just stick with the top end for now. If it blows up, it blows up, just an excuse to pull it all out, and make it truly bad-***!
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Old May 2, 2010 | 06:53 PM
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Dang thats a lot of miles haha he should be asking the question about bottom end
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Old May 2, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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Well 351,000km is about 215,000+ miles or so without doing the conversion. Im just showing kms cause looks like hes canadian aswell. One previous owner before me and was always maintained. Just goes to show its well taken care of it will last forevor. I got it 323,000 and was an A4 i then converted it to M6 and lets just say i stretch her legs often and hasnt given me a problem interally. A tune up later and she runs even better! Just make sure you have it TUNED properly after the swap and you'll fine.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 10:57 PM
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If you have good oil pressure and no blow-by you may be OK upgrading the top end. One thing to consider is that you are going to be adding a substantial amount of power to a bottom end that has used up 50-75% of its life. If you have the money to do everything at once you may be more satisfied with your results. Your cast stock crankshaft is much better than a Chinese cast crank. If you are going to rebuild the bottom end be sure to do it right and not take the cheap way out. You get what you pay for especially in performance parts. A strong bottom end is the foundation to reliable horsepower. A cast crankshaft is reliable up to 450-500 crankshaft horsepower. Beyond that it is not a question of "Will it break?", it is a question of "When will it break?" I prefer using Callies Comp Star or Scat forged rotating assemblies for strong street applications up to 750HP. They are forged in China and finish machined here in the U.S.

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Old May 3, 2010 | 07:37 AM
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I'm sure many have had good luck with the eagle forged cranks, but I see no reason to run them when you can get a Lunati Sledgehammer for $700 or less and a Callies Dragonslayer for $900 or less (I only looked at thunderracing, you could probably find one for under $800 if you looked).
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Old May 3, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Talk to LE. I would avoid the cheap rebuilds on Ebay. You should build it once and build it right so you don't have to worry about building it again. I think LE would recommend a 355 stroker rebuild. That is what I am going to be eventually doing.
355 is not a stroker you only are boring it out .030 not increasing the stroke
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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 95mysticta
If its a weekend car i would say your in good shape and wouldnt worry about the bottom end. If your dd'ing the car i would definetly think to upgrade it. I put a hotcam kit on our 95 with a 175,000kms on it and going with an AFR head and LE cam combo on my 94 with 351,000kms. If the motor hasnt given you issues and is running strong it will go for a long time. I have no doubt my car won't last 50,000km but im also prepared to a do a bottom end build in a year or two when she lets go. Its a weekend car that might hit the track once or twice a year so im in the same boat as you.

I say Giver!
Have you stuck with the stock timing chain the whole time? or have you upgraded it? I'm hearing that this is a mod that I should really consider when doing the top end.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dadic 78
Have you stuck with the stock timing chain the whole time? or have you upgraded it? I'm hearing that this is a mod that I should really consider when doing the top end.
Definitely put in a new chain. If you go electric water pump you can get a nice chain for like $80.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dadic 78
Have you stuck with the stock timing chain the whole time? or have you upgraded it? I'm hearing that this is a mod that I should really consider when doing the top end.
i use a stock oem gm chain, with no issues and so do alot of other people

you hear about failures all the time of after market units no matter the brand, but very rarely to you hear about a stock piece failing.

replace the chain and both sprokets from a gm dealer or a place like gmpartsdirect
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Old May 3, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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Do not use GMPARTSDIRECT!!! Certified Ripoff artists and the worst customer service of any company I have ever dealt with

PLUS when you factor in how they RAPE YOU ON SHIPPING you can get the same thing from summit for cheaper.
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Old May 3, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by transamws6_97
355 is not a stroker you only are boring it out .030 not increasing the stroke
I meant a 383 *face palm*

If it was me, I would refresh the bottom end, but I am also the guy who is worried that my car will break a lot when it likely won't. All goes back to your budget
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Old May 3, 2010 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gregrob
Do not use GMPARTSDIRECT!!! Certified Ripoff artists and the worst customer service of any company I have ever dealt with

PLUS when you factor in how they RAPE YOU ON SHIPPING you can get the same thing from summit for cheaper.
good to know, thank you. do you know of another online source for genuine oem gm stuff - the stuff you can only get from gm

personally i always deal with the local chevy dealer but that is because the dealership i work for gets parts cheap
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Old May 3, 2010 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dangalla
good to know, thank you. do you know of another online source for genuine oem gm stuff - the stuff you can only get from gm

personally i always deal with the local chevy dealer but that is because the dealership i work for gets parts cheap
I just use summit but there are a few other decent ones. If it was something I couldn't get from summit I would use scoggin dickey
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Old May 4, 2010 | 04:33 PM
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Yeah a stock timing set will work just fine...
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Old May 4, 2010 | 07:08 PM
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Who are you guys using to tune your ECU's after top end mods? Any recommended places for me to start? I've head of MadZ28, PCMForless, etc... Just curious what's recommended, and what's tested.
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Old May 4, 2010 | 07:12 PM
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dyno tune is the best, for now i am using a pcmforless tune until i can get to a dyno
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