LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

Gm white spring question...

Old Jul 2, 2010 | 06:39 AM
  #1  
SmartOJ's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Apprentice
15 Year Member
iTrader: (44)
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
Default Gm white spring question...

i know that the white spring raises your oil pressure, but does it raise the oil pressure at idle?
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2010 | 08:10 AM
  #2  
wrd1972's Avatar
TECH Veteran
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,668
Likes: 5
From: Central Kentucky
Default

Originally Posted by SmartOJ
i know that the white spring raises your oil pressure, but does it raise the oil pressure at idle?
No effect on idle.
It only raises the maximum pressure allowed from around 60# to about 75# from my experience. Others may claim slightly different numbers but on average, it makes about 10-15# more than stock.

I am also convinced that the whit spring is frigging up my oil pressure senders. They start sticking after WOT blasts and now I am on my 3rd one in 2 years.
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2010 | 09:27 AM
  #3  
SoxXpupPeT's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,431
Likes: 1
From: Yonkers, NY
Default

Originally Posted by SmartOJ
i know that the white spring raises your oil pressure, but does it raise the oil pressure at idle?
idk if it has no effect at idle because i changed oil pumps entirely but added the gm white spring.. but the white spring does allow for higher pressure at revs
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2010 | 12:01 PM
  #4  
BlackBird87's Avatar
TECH Regular
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 419
Likes: 0
From: Elmwood Park
Default

I used a mr gasket (mrg 26 from summit) spring in a stock pump and i have 70 psi at idle on a cold sart up and i havent seen it drop past 40 when hot
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2010 | 01:15 PM
  #5  
iceman15's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
From: La Palma, CA
Default

I just put the white spring on my build and i get 60+ psi at idle cold and ~40 psi warm idle
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2010 | 04:30 PM
  #6  
SmartOJ's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Apprentice
15 Year Member
iTrader: (44)
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by iceman15
I just put the white spring on my build and i get 60+ psi at idle cold and ~40 psi warm idle
wat was your warm idle before the spring?
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2010 | 05:19 PM
  #7  
chavez885's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 1
From: Concord, CA
Default

60PSI at cold start here and cruising. Never seen it drop below 40PSI at idle.

Setup - GM white spring and new oil pump, standard volume.
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2010 | 06:55 PM
  #8  
iceman15's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
From: La Palma, CA
Default

Originally Posted by SmartOJ
wat was your warm idle before the spring?
Before with he stock spring it was 50 psi cold and 15 psi warm idle. Definatley notice a difference with the white spring
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2010 | 07:50 AM
  #9  
wrd1972's Avatar
TECH Veteran
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,668
Likes: 5
From: Central Kentucky
Default

What weight oil are you guys running with 40# at idle?
I run 5w30 and get 60# cold idle and 20# at hot idle.
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2010 | 12:31 PM
  #10  
iceman15's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 362
Likes: 0
From: La Palma, CA
Default

I run 10w30 dino oil right now
Reply
Old Jul 3, 2010 | 09:02 PM
  #11  
96capricemgr's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,975
Likes: 15
Default

Some of you should look into how the oil pump functions and exactly what the spring does.

If a higher pressure spring raises idle oil pressure then the relief valve was sticking partially open or there was some other PROBLEM.

Competent folks have no trouble with the "white" spring messing up senders. When reading forums you have to understand there are a lot of incompetent folks claiming good parts are bad and bad parts are good. They are if anything the majority. Good luck weeding them out so you can ignore them appropriately.
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2010 | 01:22 AM
  #12  
wrd1972's Avatar
TECH Veteran
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,668
Likes: 5
From: Central Kentucky
Default

Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Some of you should look into how the oil pump functions and exactly what the spring does.

If a higher pressure spring raises idle oil pressure then the relief valve was sticking partially open or there was some other PROBLEM.

Competent folks have no trouble with the "white" spring messing up senders. When reading forums you have to understand there are a lot of incompetent folks claiming good parts are bad and bad parts are good. They are if anything the majority. Good luck weeding them out so you can ignore them appropriately.
**** you cap. I know your ripping on me and as usual you dont contribute to the discussion other than to add your usual arrogant points you use in every thread. No substance, only insults. Guess my sticky sender is LE's fault too. You provided nothing to help the OP.

Once your done gazing into the mirror and proclaiming your competence and superior intellect, you can tell me how many ways a oil pressure sender be installed right or wrong or even better help the OP out? Either provide substance or get the **** out.

Last edited by wrd1972; Jul 4, 2010 at 08:26 AM.
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2010 | 06:51 AM
  #13  
SmartOJ's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Apprentice
15 Year Member
iTrader: (44)
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 332
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Some of you should look into how the oil pump functions and exactly what the spring does.

If a higher pressure spring raises idle oil pressure then the relief valve was sticking partially open or there was some other PROBLEM.

Competent folks have no trouble with the "white" spring messing up senders. When reading forums you have to understand there are a lot of incompetent folks claiming good parts are bad and bad parts are good. They are if anything the majority. Good luck weeding them out so you can ignore them appropriately.
well can u please explain about this spring? wat results it should and shouldnt have..........
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2010 | 09:35 AM
  #14  
boosted LT1's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 345
Likes: 0
From: Montgomery AL
Default

The spring determines the maximum oil pressure.

When pressure reaches the 'setpoint' oil bypasses the pump and oil pressure drops. I have a high volume high pressure pump, at idle and at temp the spring has no effect because the pressure is below the setpoint. BTW to use a hv pump you need a larger pan.

Good luck
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2010 | 09:39 AM
  #15  
boosted LT1's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 345
Likes: 0
From: Montgomery AL
Default

If you want to know more about how the oil works read about on off control systems.

Good luck
Reply
Old Jul 4, 2010 | 10:21 AM
  #16  
96capricemgr's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,975
Likes: 15
Default

Originally Posted by SmartOJ
well can u please explain about this spring? wat results it should and shouldnt have..........

Simple as the name implies "RELIEF spring", as the last poster said it RELIEVES pressure above the set point of the spring. It is a little plunger within the pump base that compresses the spring, once the spring is compressed enough by sufficient pressure it uncovers a bypass port dumping the oil back to the pickup.

I had a really good link but I can't find it now, maybe someone else has a good link on how a positive displacement pump functions and why we look at pressure when FLOW is what actually matters.

FWIW I have put the white spring in about 4-5 motors, only oil pressure sender I ever had fail was one on a junkyard motor BEFORE I ever replaced the spring, I believe the elements got into it because it failed moments after I started the motor for the first time.

I wont claim it to be an oiling fix all but what it does do is allows you to use the pumped volume of the stock [pump to a little higher rpm and replaces an old possibly worn stock spring.

The oil pump is really amazingly simple and reliable once you understand it.
Reply


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:26 PM.