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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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my lt1 has a comp custom cam 242 with a 577 lift for some reason my lt1 wont stop braking lifters at wot. i even replaced all the with ls7 lifters. every month i average least 2 lifters a month. can any one explain what is causing my lifters to brake? i have full roller rockers and valve springs, part # on the valve springs are Crane Cams 10308-1. can it be possable that these are the wrong springs?
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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The 10308 part number you indicate is actually the part number for the spring, retainer, lock, and seat kit. The actual springs you are talking about are p/n 99893.

What exactly is breaking? Are they collapsing? Are your pushrods the correct length? Do you have good oil pressure? How much preload are you running? Lots of questions to answer...
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 01:04 PM
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All good questions above but beyond that I would like more info on the cam.

I wonder if your spring choice is wrong causing massive float and breaking the lifters that way.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 02:08 PM
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I have a new motor just got rebuild 400 miles ago,my oil pressure is perfect, I'm running stock push rods bc mines a 93 and already came with harden pushrods. In this case I think its my springs ill post up cam specs but I've already changed cams due to lifters scuffing the cam.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 02:26 PM
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I would not use stock pushrods on a cam aggressive enough to hit .577 lift. They can act like a pole vaulter's pole and be a spring in the middle of your valvetrain.

The Crane springs are a decent part, it is just that since those were popular cams have gotten a fair bit more aggressive and there is more to spring choice than just lift capacity.

Also I thought the plunger depth on the LS7 lifters was a little different than stock so if you have stock pushrods with them that could cause some valvetrain funkyness.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 02:42 PM
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Sounds like the 242/248 xfi cam and you will most likely be getting valve float with those springs. If it's breaking lifters your cam is probably all chewed up as well which would be sending metal through your engine.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 03:15 PM
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Ive already replaced the cam and added new lifters all at the same time.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 03:36 PM
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It seems the problem lies w/ pushrods, springs, or both.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 05:51 PM
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post the pics of the of the broken lifter.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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Measure the correct pushrod length. If those stock ones are flexing then it is beating the hell out of your valvetrain. A quality PR is not very expensive and they will make you valve train more reliable, but honestly measure to find what you need.
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this is what they look like.
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So you are smashing the plunger out of them.

How are you adjusting the valvetrain, specifically how do you find "zero lash".
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 08:05 PM
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The engine builder adj. the rr but this wasn't the 1st time and several others have adj. them. I don't think backlash is the problem. They have been given from 1/2 to 1/4 turn and still break. I think he is gonna change the pushrods to 7.150 from stock at this point and see how that goes. Biggest fear is getting the lifters stuck and having pull the cam again.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 08:28 PM
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Youre floating the crap out of your valves and knocking the retainer out of the lifter and beating the lifter too the cam, springs are too weak.
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As I asked before how was zero lash found? Lots of guys screw that up.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
As I asked before how was zero lash found? Lots of guys screw that up.
i had my mechanic set them this time to make sure it was done right since he built the motor.

im either donna change the cam to the 503 or gonna change springs and change to smaller push rods.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 09:11 PM
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can i get some suggestion's on good springs?
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Take a step back and think about what you're doing here. Figure out why the lifters are getting mauled before you go throwing parts at it.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
Take a step back and think about what you're doing here. Figure out why the lifters are getting mauled before you go throwing parts at it.
This.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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do you have a "XFI" Comp cam?

given the condition of those lifters...I would SERIOUSLY look at the cam lobes to see if you gauled or wiped a lobe(s)

if cam is ok replace lifters, springs (depends on wtf cam you have) and get ..080 wall hardened PR (trick flow) measured to whatever length you need
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