LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

Knock Module ?'s

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 02:54 PM
  #1  
94ss06gxp's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 0
From: Mid MI
Default Knock Module ?'s

ok so i have been searching on here about the LT4 knock module. mods in sig plus a 234/242 cam, ls7 lifters, and new timing chain going in this week. i will be getting a mail tune for now.... so anyway it looks like 50% of people say get the LT4 KM and the other 50% say save your money and just get it tuned. so what should i do??
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 03:10 PM
  #2  
Lawhead's Avatar
10 Second Club
10 Year Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 2,397
Likes: 2
From: \
Default

You cant get it tuned out only thing that can be tuned is how much timing is pulled when the knick is sensed
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 03:29 PM
  #3  
94ss06gxp's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 0
From: Mid MI
Default

yeah i meant that they will just tune the LT1 KM to be less sensitive. but then theres other people that say that you should get the LT4 KM so im not sure what i should do.
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 03:42 PM
  #4  
Slow94Formula's Avatar
8 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 872
Likes: 5
From: Rochester, MN
Default

When I asked Solomon he said that desensitizing the LT1 knock module is not very effective and that it would just be a wise idea to invest in a LT4 module.
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 04:23 PM
  #5  
gregrob's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 5,130
Likes: 4
From: 6,000+ feet
Default

That because solomon doesn't know how to do it.

It can be desensetized to false knock.
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 04:59 PM
  #6  
94ss06gxp's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 0
From: Mid MI
Default

so should i just get one then?
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 05:12 PM
  #7  
jaycenk's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,210
Likes: 1
From: Holiday, FL
Default

LOL I can see where this is going. I have one I use. I would sugest a tune and see if you have a problem with it. If not then You don't need it.
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 06:08 PM
  #8  
94ss06gxp's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 0
From: Mid MI
Default

lol, just bought one anyway. thanks for the replies tho!!!
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-3

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-7

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

 Brett Foote
story-9

10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 06:24 PM
  #9  
gregrob's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 5,130
Likes: 4
From: 6,000+ feet
Default

Just find a competent tuner
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 07:03 PM
  #10  
94ss06gxp's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 0
From: Mid MI
Default

Originally Posted by gregrob
Just find a competent tuner
im going thru madtuner.com right now. not sure if there competent
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 07:32 PM
  #11  
MasterTomos's Avatar
TECH Junkie
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,509
Likes: 4
From: Midwest
Default

Originally Posted by 94ss06gxp
lol, just bought one anyway. thanks for the replies tho!!!
whered you buy yours at?
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 08:22 PM
  #12  
94ss06gxp's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 0
From: Mid MI
Default

Originally Posted by MasterTomos
whered you buy yours at?
seen a brand new ac delco LT4 km pop up in the parts classifieds about 2 hours ago for $60 shipped
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 09:27 PM
  #13  
sempire's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 386
Likes: 1
Default

These don't go in 93's do they?
Reply
Old Feb 20, 2011 | 10:14 PM
  #14  
nitrous2fast's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,084
Likes: 0
From: Oklahoma
Default

You should be fine with the stock KM. The tuner can make it pull the timing less aggressively, and recover the timing faster. If your setup is in full working order and have a good tune, a LT4 KM won't give you anything you don't already have.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2011 | 07:18 AM
  #15  
94ss06gxp's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Addict
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,351
Likes: 0
From: Mid MI
Default

Originally Posted by nitrous2fast
You should be fine with the stock KM. The tuner can make it pull the timing less aggressively, and recover the timing faster. If your setup is in full working order and have a good tune, a LT4 KM won't give you anything you don't already have.
awesome. thanks!!
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2011 | 08:51 AM
  #16  
wrd1972's Avatar
TECH Veteran
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,668
Likes: 5
From: Central Kentucky
Default

My two cents.
The tune can be adjusted to pull x amount of timing when the KS detects knock and it can also be adjusted on how fast normal timing recovers. However I dont think the "sensitivity" of what the KS detects can be adjusted in the tune and there lies the purpose of the LT4 KM.

Last year during WOT dyno tuning and with the LT1 KM, on a few pulls I got a small amount of KR that we just couldn't get rid of. The tune was optimized for power so we did not want to start dialing things down since it was a sporadic thing and we were convinced it was false knock. We then put the LT4 KM in and voilà, absolutely no knock retard.

I personally believe that the LT4 KM has built in filtering that the LT1 KM does not. Again I dont think you can adjust this filtering in the tune or make a LT1 KM behave in the exact same manner as a LT4 KM. It also makes since that if the tune was capable of doing everything the LT4 KM can do, why did GM even create the LT4 KM?

Maybe I am wrong, but the LT4 KM resolved the problem. Glad I bought it for $30 bucks 5 years ago.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2011 | 09:51 AM
  #17  
gregrob's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 5,130
Likes: 4
From: 6,000+ feet
Default

Yes it can
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2011 | 10:24 AM
  #18  
wrd1972's Avatar
TECH Veteran
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 4,668
Likes: 5
From: Central Kentucky
Default

Originally Posted by gregrob
Yes it can
Which parameters in the tune actually adjust the sesitvity of the signal the KS sends to the PCM?
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2011 | 10:35 AM
  #19  
gregrob's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 5,130
Likes: 4
From: 6,000+ feet
Default

It doesn't do that. It adjusts how much knock it will tolerate BEFORE it even starts pulling timing.

Not just "X timing pulled" and "recovery rate".
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2011 | 02:36 PM
  #20  
LSWHO's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,350
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by gregrob
It doesn't do that. It adjusts how much knock it will tolerate BEFORE it even starts pulling timing.

Not just "X timing pulled" and "recovery rate".
Yes, but the LT4 has a better filter for the sound of knock vs RRs and such.

So though it is desensitized to when it pulls it can still pull incorrectly due to the filtering of sound.

If this is not the case then wouldn't the LT1 KM and the LT4 KM be the same and wouldn't they have only changed the tune in the LT4s to accommodate?

I would say that most of the time the desensitized KM would work, the LT4 still has benefits.

...or so I've read.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:07 AM.

story-0
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-3
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-4
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-5
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE
story-8
Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

The world was a better place when it was still around.

By Brett Foote | 2026-01-23 09:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

Slideshow: The 7.0-liter LS7 was designed for absolute cutting-edge performance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-07 18:36:00


VIEW MORE