SS RRR

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Yes, but even if they're fast on the track I bet the power is still peaky!!1111

Puck

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**** a dyno number.

My 350 build ran 11.7s all day with 345rwhp after a dyno tune. Tell that to the 400+rwhp cars it pulled on. Could have got 11.5s without any more power mods.

Then on the other side of the spectrum we have cars like RRR that dyno big numbers but still run 12s.

(Sorry, couldn't help it SS! )

stumprrp

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my old LS1made 348 and ran 11.90s at 115 all day, so i get it.

im not concerned about the dyno V believe me you know that. my car should trap/ET better with the open headers and a non-slipping trans (speedo issue). 11.40/30 @ 119-120 isnt impossible.

SS RRR

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What dyno numbers?

But was it peeaaky???

quik95lt1

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yea absolutly rob.......that 396 makes more than my old 355 did espically in the torqe department........you launch that car and after I tune it it will shift right......that thing WILL run 11.40's @ 120 with out breaking a sweat.....

oh and FYI watch out for SSS RR up there.......i think hes heavily medicated or something lol

stumprrp

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yup, it was peaky, peak torque @ 5000 and HP @ 6400

96lt1m6

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My buddy has an easy set up in his 01 SS :
Stock shortblock w/ 46k
L.G. cam G5x4
243 heads the real ones with lightweight valves.
PAC spring kit
LS6 intake
Janterz ported throttle body
Yank 3600
3.73s
SLP crank pulley
QTP headers,y-pipe and Magnaflow cat back
SVO 30lb. Injectors
Tuned properly- 427hp 402tq. Friggin car drives easy no bs the car is a blast to drive! Granted dyno numbers really DO NOT MATTER since they are for tuning but his friggin car is absolutely SICK for the money he spent.

stumprrp

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ls6 heads probably help tremendously on that setup.

86formula

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i went 11.26 @ 120 with 354rwhp and 319tq with my LT1

Cammed 02

Vindicator 240/244 112 cam-only w/ Full Bolt-ons, stock LS6 intake.
421rwhp thru 4.10/10-bolt. 11.60's at 119 in +356 DA.

As for peaky, yes its peaky just like a CC306 cam-only LT1 is, just makes WAY MORE power and is much faster that's all.

BOBS99SS

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I have a 99ss,I have a ms4,I will say the big cams are pointless with stock gears,even 3.73s are not enough,most guys that run great cam only times are running a 4.56 gear or 4.30 on spray,I ran my ms4 on stock gears and it was a friggen dog period,just thought I would throw that out there,it is tons better to have a better powerband for the street,and more on the low end,my ms4 m6 car is actually not that bad now with 4.10s

lemons12

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Max effort cams require max effort gears, heads, intake, stalls, etc to run what thy should.

BOBS99SS

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Agree you could go back and forth with this,big cam vs smaller cam,its hard to beat a bigger cam setup right,but so many people just throw a big cam in and don't realize there is so much more to do,I know a lot of guys running really good times with the ms4,yeah its cam only but not really,high gear,suspension,weight,etc

myltwon

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no one is trying to say you can't make a 15* headed car with a good intake faster than a 23* headed car with a mailbox for an intake. for nice dyno numbers and track times yes you can put in a big *** cam and do it, but to some people they don't want to sacrifice things such as driveability, gas mileage (depending on required gear), engine life, etc. to acheive a result that can be compensated with spending money in other areas. to some people putting in a huge donkey dick cam in their car is equivalent to gutting their interior or putting in a 3 speed.

cubes can swallow a cam and make it much nicer to drive and better flowing cylinder heads can negate the necessity to compensate with duration to achieve a comperable peak number/track time.

I'm not saying your car is some horrible thing to drive, but everyone's tolerances are different. some guys have no problem driving around with a SLP Loudmouth or dumps, while another guy can stand anything louder than a Dual/Dual. it's the same with the rest of the car.

myltwon

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one of the most important lessons in this thread. so many people will pick camshaft A, B, or C (LT1 and LS1) and expect to replicate the fastest times they see on the internet right out of the box. they don't realize that these guys that are out there breaking records or just plain riding out, spent alot of time with convertor selection, gear selection, tire pressures, shift points, suspension setups, etc. to get the numbers.

LSWHO

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WTF are you talking about!!? This is the internet! Personal preferences are not allowed! You better like what the cookie cutter makes or gtfo!

myltwon

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hell yeah either go fast and loud or GTFO! no room for that cry baby bullshit on the internet.

MattSapp95_T/A

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LT1s are cooler though because they have an opti spark!!

There are some really fast cam only LS cars and yes they generally always make more power mod for mod than and LT1 car.... Heads and intake make up for a lot of that...

I have seen some VERY nice graphs from Geoff at EPS!

hitmanws6

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All about setup. My friends 228R LS1 full weight is running low 7s in the 1/8th and Ive beat my friends 232/236 LS1 M6 simply because of his gears

SS RRR

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It's utterly absurd to make excuses as to why a cam only LS1 setup can outrun most heads/cam LT1 setups with this "peak power" nonsense. It's like no one understands a LT1 has the same kind of driveability issues as well running a big cam which isn't the key problem. The key problem is it surges all over God's creation and runs significantly slower than most all cam only "peak power" LS1 setups.