LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 11:01 PM
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I have my 383 up and running in a DD,...the torque is HUGE fun in my street machine.
I'm running a mild cam but fully ported on the intake(58mmTB/ported runners) and heads, CC valve train and headers.
It's easy to drive and has power everywhere.
I will have to start road racing to really stretch this set up out.

I have the cast crank and this same setup with bigger cam,different driver, broke the previous cast crank on a 6,000+rpm WOT clutch drop/drag race scenario,...I sleep fine at night, but I'm way easier on equipment.
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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 12:40 AM
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The only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollars.

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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
thats a negative there ghost rider lol
Care to explain it then? Last time I checked you don't need as radical a cam to get the same hp in a bigger cubed engine as a smaller one.
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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Care to explain it then? Last time I checked you don't need as radical a cam to get the same hp in a bigger cubed engine as a smaller one.
this is a very vague debate however running a comparably smaller cam in a larger motor will tend to affect the power curve in a poor way for a drag car/preformance driven car...........it will build torque down low however it will begin to choke very very fast up top......if you cannot flow the air to fill the extra ci of the cylinder (low VE) the motor will NOT make power up top.....think about the vacuum generated in the cylinder vs. crankshaft rotation in degrees in a 3.48" stroke motor vs. a 3.75" stroke motor....now think basic cam design open the valve to early what happens? open it too late what happens?.......ive seen many under cammed 383+ci motors...had a friend of mine that thought a bigger motor didn't need alot of cam......he had a much smaller cam in his 396LT1 than i ran in my 355 LT1....needless to say with the same weight i put 10mph on him and he couldn't figure out why..... its a great concept for pulling stumps out of your front yard but not so much racing............remember torque is the engines ability to maintain speed under load.........horsepower is its ability to accelerate its velocity not maintain it......

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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 07:45 AM
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how about more details?
budget?
rpm goal?
current set up & weight, trans, rear gears
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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by quik95lt1
this is a very vague debate however running a comparably smaller cam in a larger motor will tend to affect the power curve in a poor way for a drag car/preformance driven car...........it will build torque down low however it will begin to choke very very fast up top......if you cannot flow the air to fill the extra ci of the cylinder (low VE) the motor will NOT make power up top.....think about the vacuum generated in the cylinder vs. crankshaft rotation in degrees in a 3.48" stroke motor vs. a 3.75" stroke motor....now think basic cam design open the valve to early what happens? open it too late what happens?.......ive seen many under cammed 383+ci motors...had a friend of mine that thought a bigger motor didn't need alot of cam......he had a much smaller cam in his 396LT1 than i ran in my 355 LT1....needless to say with the same weight i put 10mph on him and he couldn't figure out why..... its a great concept for pulling stumps out of your front yard but not so much racing............remember torque is the engines ability to maintain speed under load.........horsepower is its ability to accelerate its velocity not maintain it......
Good example of this is a friend of mine had a 383 with a 306 cam years ago. On the dyno it put out 410rwhp and 390rwtq. It was tuned via a piggyback system that no one was really familiar with. It did a best of 12.0 @ 120mph on 3.42 gears and a true street radial. He wanted to tone it down since it was still a daily and put in a LPE/Acell 211/219 cam in and it put out 390rwhp and 410rwtq. Unfortunately he never went to the track to see what it would do, however he said the driving mannerisms were night and day. That can be credited to the engine making a massive amount of torque at low rpm.
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Old Oct 13, 2011 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Care to explain it then? Last time I checked you don't need as radical a cam to get the same hp in a bigger cubed engine as a smaller one.
The main reason is not because you can run a small cam for the same power level. Its because a more radical cam that would cause a very peaky power curve in a smaller displacement engine will have a more streetable attitude in a larger displacement engine. Easiest way to explain is to say a cc306 383 engine will drive like a cc503 355 engine. This is due to the additional 10+% hp/tq across the entire power band. Hope that helps.

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Old Oct 14, 2011 | 02:27 PM
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I found this interesting.

http://www.strokerengine.com/DynoTPI.html

383 FTW!?
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Old Oct 14, 2011 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by white ghost
The main reason is not because you can run a small cam for the same power level. Its because a more radical cam that would cause a very peaky power curve in a smaller displacement engine will have a more streetable attitude in a larger displacement engine. Easiest way to explain is to say a cc306 383 engine will drive like a cc503 355 engine. This is due to the additional 10+% hp/two across the entire power band. Hope that helps.
there must be way over 100 posts about 355 vs 383 and I haven't read them all but this one seems to explain it without too many specifics on numbers/balancing. I was debating this too but like they said, once its out and tore down better only do it once and not have the itch later. got to stop going to vegas and drinking beer to save up for the build.

the post from the ghost should be a sticky.
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Old Oct 15, 2011 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 96lt1m6
Just remember if money is tight get your heads done first,just like in real life GOOD HEAD GOES A LONG WAY!
All time best quote on here!!

So newbie question; what would it take to go onto a 396 (just bigger crank or is that a whole new SB) any other costs with going up to 396?
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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 08:00 PM
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the more power you make, the more often stuff breaks.
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Old Oct 17, 2011 | 02:26 PM
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i had the same delima
did the research
go 383 if your gonnna stick with the lt1
i switched directions after i got everything ready for the build
for price, and power, and reliablity im swapping the old crappy lt1 for a lq4
the whole motor is cheaper than a stroker kit
with nothing more than heads and a cam itll be pushing more than a 383 stroker lt1.
and itll hold nitrous a hell of alot better.
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Old Oct 17, 2011 | 02:45 PM
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Go 383 ...LT1's need every advantage possible with all the newer LS motors (426-638HP), 392 Hemis (470hp), and new 5.0s(412-444hp) running around. JMO. Plus, torque is fun!
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Old Oct 18, 2011 | 04:38 PM
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383 for tons of low end, or the 355 if you want to make high rpm horsepower.. No replacement for displacement.
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 07:47 AM
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[QUOTE=AdamGolnik;15521808]383 for tons of low end, or the 355 if you want to make high rpm horsepower.. QUOTE]

not at all............completely dependant on the top end of the motor............
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