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Planning for the next LTX shootout. What's with the LS1 PCM weight penalty?

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Old 01-04-2012 | 11:56 AM
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Amen, Tony!
Here's my whine: I want an 800 lb weight penalty for a 411 PCM....lol!
Old 01-04-2012 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bowtienut
Amen, Tony!
Here's my whine: I want an 800 lb weight penalty for a 411 PCM....lol!
LoL. Sure man. Anything you want. LMAO

At least now I don't have to bite my tongue as much. I can speak my mind.
Old 01-04-2012 | 12:18 PM
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Don't let him get to you Tony. He's a class A troll piece of ****.
Old 01-04-2012 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
- Heads must retain the factory 23 deg valve angle. Trick Flow 21 deg. heads permitted (PN TFS-30400008-M54).

- Must have stock-style suspension. 4-links and ladder bars not permitted.
- Independent rear suspension receives 200 lb. weight break.

- Must retain full OEM interior including both front seats. Aftermarket front seats permitted. Rear seats may be removed.

- Must retain OEM type transmissions of one of the following (700R4, 4L60, 4L60E, 4L80E, T56)

Its like the class was built around certain cars so some are in and some are out. Seems dumb but it doesn't really matter to my life.
So a rule saying a "street" class car cant backhalf their car, and they have to have two front seats and a GM OEM style transmission is built around a specific car???? if youd like to retry that question you can special people that say things like that get two chances.....

Originally Posted by Tony Shepherd
I am glad I am out of the equation now because of dumb *** whiney bitches like this. You have no clue man! The rules were never built around certain cars. Go whine to someone who cares.
atta boy!!!!!!!! i knew ya had it in ya tony!!! haha
Old 01-04-2012 | 02:14 PM
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Gotta love how threads turn around in here.

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Old 01-04-2012 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck
Gotta love how threads turn around in here.

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No kidding. You should have seen the thread over at c28.com when a guy asked of Edelbrock heads were ok to use. It went from Edelbrock sucks to LE sucks all the way to getting flamed in my PM box. The way some of these guys whine you wonder if they actually have vaginas. Needles to say that thread got locked.
Old 01-04-2012 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
No kidding. You should have seen the thread over at c28.com when a guy asked of Edelbrock heads were ok to use. It went from Edelbrock sucks to LE sucks all the way to getting flamed in my PM box. The way some of these guys whine you wonder if they actually have vaginas. Needles to say that thread got locked.
LOL...this reminds me of the thread that I inadvertently started small war about Ai vs AFR heads; it quickly disintegrated to name calling and bitching... never have I seen people so passionate about their head choices. LOL
Old 01-04-2012 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Shepherd
I am glad I am out of the equation now because of dumb *** whiney bitches like this. You have no clue man! The rules were never built around certain cars. Go whine to someone who cares.


Got em
Old 01-04-2012 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ahritchie
LOL...this reminds me of the thread that I inadvertently started small war about Ai vs AFR heads; it quickly disintegrated to name calling and bitching... never have I seen people so passionate about their head choices. LOL
It usually only happens on this board. There are a few bad apples in here that constantly critique everyones builds and put down other peoples cars. Trust me when I say this......... the bad apples never show up to the shootout, lol. All of the friendly guys are at the shootout.
Old 01-04-2012 | 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
- Heads must retain the factory 23 deg valve angle. Trick Flow 21 deg. heads permitted (PN TFS-30400008-M54).
No converted 18 degree heads, no SB 2.2's, etc, etc

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
- - Must have stock-style suspension. 4-links and ladder bars not permitted.
Tubular torque arm, tubular lca's, panhard bars, etc
Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
- - Independent rear suspension receives 200 lb. weight break.

- Must retain full OEM interior including both front seats. Aftermarket front seats permitted. Rear seats may be removed.
Carpet, console, door panels, and 2 kirkey seats allowed

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
- - Must retain OEM type transmissions of one of the following (700R4, 4L60, 4L60E, 4L80E, T56)
Built 4L60's with Yank converters, built T56's, etc, etc

Originally Posted by sweetbmxrider
- Its like the class was built around certain cars so some are in and some are out. Seems dumb but it doesn't really matter to my life.
I'm not following you at all here. This class is for the guy who has gone beyond simple bolt-ons but isn't quite a race car with license plates. This is for 355's, 383's, with decent heads, decent cams, and a few lightweight goodies along with good suspension. Tons of cars fit into this class. A mid 11 second car would do very well here, maybe cut the tree down and make it to the finals with a little luck.

Give me an example of a car that this class is built around????????
Old 01-04-2012 | 08:23 PM
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Must have stock-style suspension.
Define this please. So no aftermarket torque arm or lca's?
Old 01-04-2012 | 08:40 PM
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The suspention components he listed are fashioned in the STYLE of their stock counter parts, only with stronger materials.

I'm pretty sure that's what his message is.
Old 01-05-2012 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Define this please. So no aftermarket torque arm or lca's?
It means you have to run a torque arm suspension. You can run any tubular torque arm you want along with lower control arms, and a tubular panhard bar. No ladder bars, no 4-links. You have to run the style of suspension that your car came with.
Old 01-05-2012 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Shepherd
I am glad I am out of the equation now because of dumb *** whiney bitches like this. You have no clue man! The rules were never built around certain cars. Go whine to someone who cares.
Thanks for beating me to it so I don't have to start my morning pissed off...
Old 01-05-2012 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Formula383
Thanks for beating me to it so I don't have to start my morning pissed off...
Your welcome brotha!
Old 01-05-2012 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by joelster

I'm not following you at all here. This class is for the guy who has gone beyond simple bolt-ons but isn't quite a race car with license plates. This is for 355's, 383's, with decent heads, decent cams, and a few lightweight goodies along with good suspension. Tons of cars fit into this class. A mid 11 second car would do very well here, maybe cut the tree down and make it to the finals with a little luck.

Give me an example of a car that this class is built around????????
I'm a prime example of that. Got myself into the semi-finals heads up NA and lost because of a bad light against Brady. Was never mad about the rules. If you wanna compete, conform to the rules.

Mec
Old 01-05-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by joelster
No converted 18 degree heads, no SB 2.2's, etc, etc


Tubular torque arm, tubular lca's, panhard bars, etc

Carpet, console, door panels, and 2 kirkey seats allowed


Built 4L60's with Yank converters, built T56's, etc, etc



I'm not following you at all here. This class is for the guy who has gone beyond simple bolt-ons but isn't quite a race car with license plates. This is for 355's, 383's, with decent heads, decent cams, and a few lightweight goodies along with good suspension. Tons of cars fit into this class. A mid 11 second car would do very well here, maybe cut the tree down and make it to the finals with a little luck.

Give me an example of a car that this class is built around????????
First, thank you for addressing my post in a mature manner.

The heads thing I guess is nit picking but saying only 23 degree heads but then allowing 21 seems silly. I guess its just the wording. The weight break for irs, is that for vettes? I didn't quite grasp that at first but didn't think of vettes untill now. My main gripe is why a 4l80e that never came in an lt1/4 production car is allowed yet a th400/350/glide etc are not? Between that and the other small things made it seem like the class was made to exclude certain cars but allow others. That was my point.


And why are all the internet tough guys mad?
Old 01-05-2012 | 03:10 PM
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My question is can you run any rear you want like S60, 12 bolt, 9 inch? I understand that you must run stock style suspension with a torque arm, pan hard bar, etc...
Old 01-05-2012 | 03:18 PM
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^ Good question..
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because a ten bolt in a stock manual car with slicks will break......


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