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i dont believe that to be true, but i dont have the facts to back it up. So.... i cant argue..
This subject has been hashed and rehashed so many times for so many years.
I know all the theory; I've run all the numbers; looked at tons of data on my own car and others' cars. Seen injector duty cycles (as reported on DM) exceed 100% routinely even on roadrace cars and never seen an injector failure with the SVO's on those vehicles.
I'm an engineer, so I don't dismiss theory lightly. But when the theory doesn't support real life, it's flawed.
One theory that I believe as to why smaller injectors work better is not the spray pattern per se, but the transient (on/off) time as a percentage of total flowing time; the atomized fuel available for combustion is more consistent.
You can listen to the people who figure things out for themselves and go fast or you can listen to those who just repeat some "well-articulated" arguments they've read.
I know all the theory; I've run all the numbers; looked at tons of data on my own car and others' cars. Seen injector duty cycles (as reported on DM) exceed 100% routinely even on roadrace cars and never seen an injector failure with the SVO's on those vehicles.
I'm an engineer, so I don't dismiss theory lightly. But when the theory doesn't support real life, it's flawed.
One theory that I believe as to why smaller injectors work better is not the spray pattern per se, but the transient (on/off) time as a percentage of total flowing time; the atomized fuel available for combustion is more consistent.
You can listen to the people who figure things out for themselves and go fast or you can listen to those who just repeat some "well-articulated" arguments they've read.
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This subject has been hashed and rehashed so many times for so many years.
I know all the theory; I've run all the numbers; looked at tons of data on my own car and others' cars. Seen injector duty cycles (as reported on DM) exceed 100% routinely even on roadrace cars and never seen an injector failure with the SVO's on those vehicles.
I'm an engineer, so I don't dismiss theory lightly. But when the theory doesn't support real life, it's flawed.
One theory that I believe as to why smaller injectors work better is not the spray pattern per se, but the transient (on/off) time as a percentage of total flowing time; the atomized fuel available for combustion is more consistent.
You can listen to the people who figure things out for themselves and go fast or you can listen to those who just repeat some "well-articulated" arguments they've read.
I know all the theory; I've run all the numbers; looked at tons of data on my own car and others' cars. Seen injector duty cycles (as reported on DM) exceed 100% routinely even on roadrace cars and never seen an injector failure with the SVO's on those vehicles.
I'm an engineer, so I don't dismiss theory lightly. But when the theory doesn't support real life, it's flawed.
One theory that I believe as to why smaller injectors work better is not the spray pattern per se, but the transient (on/off) time as a percentage of total flowing time; the atomized fuel available for combustion is more consistent.
You can listen to the people who figure things out for themselves and go fast or you can listen to those who just repeat some "well-articulated" arguments they've read.
I was at 370rwhp running 12.0 @ 115 with stock injectors and duty cycle was approx 85% IIRC. '94 and up are indeed 24lb'ers.
I had 42 lb injectors on my LS7 (389 ci). The ¨experts¨ said that I didn´t have near enough injector. After I made a couple of dyno pulls they went quiet (588 rwhp)!
I have 24 lb injectors in Gump. I feel that the reason the smaller injectors work better is that you get better atomization at WOT. My 24´s are not maxed. I have tried different brand 30´s and have always lost performance. The only way to know for sure what your combination needs is to run a wide band and data log the runs.
I have 24 lb injectors in Gump. I feel that the reason the smaller injectors work better is that you get better atomization at WOT. My 24´s are not maxed. I have tried different brand 30´s and have always lost performance. The only way to know for sure what your combination needs is to run a wide band and data log the runs.
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Verdad Gallardo I had 42 lb injectors on my LS7 (389 ci). The ¨experts¨ said that I didn´t have near enough injector. After I made a couple of dyno pulls they went quiet (588 rwhp)!
I have 24 lb injectors in Gump. I feel that the reason the smaller injectors work better is that you get better atomization at WOT. My 24´s are not maxed. I have tried different brand 30´s and have always lost performance. The only way to know for sure what your combination needs is to run a wide band and data log the runs.
I have 24 lb injectors in Gump. I feel that the reason the smaller injectors work better is that you get better atomization at WOT. My 24´s are not maxed. I have tried different brand 30´s and have always lost performance. The only way to know for sure what your combination needs is to run a wide band and data log the runs.
Very interesting thread. I'm also in the market to purchase a set of injectors for my 355 AI 200cc H/C build and have been recommended anywhere from 30lb to 42lb injectors but I haven’t been able to decide what to get. I've had the stock fuel system from fuel pump to injectors up until this point so I know very little about what to upgrade to as the stock stuff was doing just fine on the old engine.
Also, I've been under the assumption just from reading through many different threads over the years that anything above 90% injector duty cycle is a bad thing and can cause injector failure or lean condition. But from what Gizmo and Bowtienut have stated that doesn't seem to be true. I’m thinking the 30lb injectors will be fine for me as well.
Also, I've been under the assumption just from reading through many different threads over the years that anything above 90% injector duty cycle is a bad thing and can cause injector failure or lean condition. But from what Gizmo and Bowtienut have stated that doesn't seem to be true. I’m thinking the 30lb injectors will be fine for me as well.
i was thinking about sticking my stockers back in, turning the pressure up to around 50, re-tuning it and seeing if it'd work. Reason being i have a 36 lber sticking. So im gonna try it.
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I thought this was an interesting video. I think what you guys are doing with these little injectors running WFO is making a huge cloud of fuel in the intake. Better atomization than they best new injectors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGlav...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGlav...eature=related
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I thought this was an interesting video. I think what you guys are doing with these little injectors running WFO is making a huge cloud of fuel in the intake. Better atomization than they best new injectors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGlav...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGlav...eature=related
might wanna watch the video again.
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No matter what injector, it makes a big cloud when you run it wide open as opposed to just a cone at lower duty cycles.
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Personally, the 30lbr's should work fine, even with a wet kit.....provided the (more importantly)pump has been upgraded for the 200 shot. 36lbr's would also work OK, whereas the tune shouldnt be too bad to work out. The 42 lbr's would be a bit much to scale back, despite what others have heard or might have done, but can still get tuned into your set-up.....just easier to tune with good results on dyno with smaller injectors! Just my experience...
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Well, gizmo and bowtienut have both voiced their views... gizmo is pretty damn smart about his set up... but other than running the injector at it's max all of the time I feel more comfortable myself with my street/strip car on a bigger injector running the solenoid on a less intensive duty cycle.
How often is your street/strip car actually at WOT? One thing that you might want to consider is that too large injectors do not perform as well in low load situations. When we switched to 19 lb injectors in our stock internals build we gained a bunch in sixty foot. FYI, my SVO 24 lbs are not maxed out (50 psi). I am not saying that the OP needs to switch to 24 lbs. I am just trying to share what has worked for me. Buying a set of matched injectors is worth the extra money.
How often is your street/strip car actually at WOT? One thing that you might want to consider is that too large injectors do not perform as well in low load situations. When we switched to 19 lb injectors in our stock internals build we gained a bunch in sixty foot. FYI, my SVO 24 lbs are not maxed out (50 psi). I am not saying that the OP needs to switch to 24 lbs. I am just trying to share what has worked for me. Buying a set of matched injectors is worth the extra money.
So if I were to swap out smaller injectors would a fuel pressure regulater need to go with it?