What other parts will I need for a Hotcam kit?
05-15-2012, 01:57 PM
#1
What other parts will I need for a Hotcam kit? The guy that bought my 95' wants me to do a full cam swap for him (one of the lifters collapsed, and he wants to go big with it).
I told him the LT4 hotcam kit would be the way to go, as he isn't looking to get any big numbers out of the car. He's only home 2 weeks every 3 months to enjoy the car.
This is the kit I found http://www.jegs.com/i/GM%20Performan...0002/-1?CT=999
He asked me for a full on parts list,
Off the top of my head I knew all neccessary gaskets, waterpump while I'm down there, and a New timing chain. Also will he need bigger injectors or no? Any other parts that you guys think should be replaced while being torn down please let me know, the opti is a new GM with less then 4000 miles on it. Also, what should I do for pushrods?
Also, as he will be paying me for this, I'm going to need to figure out a fair price for labor, as he is a friend of my Dad's, I don't want to rip him off, so opinions on that would be appreciated.
Thanks guys!
I told him the LT4 hotcam kit would be the way to go, as he isn't looking to get any big numbers out of the car. He's only home 2 weeks every 3 months to enjoy the car.
This is the kit I found http://www.jegs.com/i/GM%20Performan...0002/-1?CT=999
He asked me for a full on parts list,
Off the top of my head I knew all neccessary gaskets, waterpump while I'm down there, and a New timing chain. Also will he need bigger injectors or no? Any other parts that you guys think should be replaced while being torn down please let me know, the opti is a new GM with less then 4000 miles on it. Also, what should I do for pushrods?
Also, as he will be paying me for this, I'm going to need to figure out a fair price for labor, as he is a friend of my Dad's, I don't want to rip him off, so opinions on that would be appreciated.
Thanks guys!
Last edited by l 95 Trans Am l; 05-15-2012 at 02:19 PM.
05-15-2012, 02:45 PM
#2
Curious as to why youre replacing the water pump. Are you buying an electric one?
You wont need bigger injectors, and as for the pushrods, you can get some hardened pushrods although im not usre if its really needed with the hotcam.
If you get a new timing chain, also get new cam and crank sprockets.
You wont need bigger injectors, and as for the pushrods, you can get some hardened pushrods although im not usre if its really needed with the hotcam.
If you get a new timing chain, also get new cam and crank sprockets.
05-15-2012, 03:13 PM
#3
Curious as to why youre replacing the water pump. Are you buying an electric one?
You wont need bigger injectors, and as for the pushrods, you can get some hardened pushrods although im not usre if its really needed with the hotcam.
If you get a new timing chain, also get new cam and crank sprockets.
You wont need bigger injectors, and as for the pushrods, you can get some hardened pushrods although im not usre if its really needed with the hotcam.
If you get a new timing chain, also get new cam and crank sprockets.
Also will this timing chain kit work? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CLO-C-3039/
I searched "LT based engines" and this is what came up. Thanks
05-15-2012, 03:24 PM
#4
95 had hardened pushrods from the factory. with the hotcam they should be fine as long as they are the correct length. I would go with ls7 lifters i heard they are 100 bucks from the dealer I bought mine from the ws6 store for 127 shipped i think. the stock injectors will work. You will need a tune though.
05-15-2012, 03:42 PM
#5
Okay and also I'm looking at the write-up for cam swap/etc and he says the crank seal needs to be replaced, not sure what he means by this but is it included in this kit?
http://www.jegs.com/i/Fel-Pro/375/TCS45956/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Fel-Pro/375/TCS45956/10002/-1
05-15-2012, 05:01 PM
#6
Okay and also I'm looking at the write-up for cam swap/etc and he says the crank seal needs to be replaced, not sure what he means by this but is it included in this kit?
http://www.jegs.com/i/Fel-Pro/375/TCS45956/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Fel-Pro/375/TCS45956/10002/-1
05-15-2012, 06:09 PM
#7
No offense taken, I'm sure if you're looking at it like that then it would seem like I'm a noob. But I've done cam swaps/motor work before. I'm more then capable of doing this job. I'm simply asking what exact seal he means by "crank seal"
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05-15-2012, 06:23 PM
#9
I am a bit confused. First you said he wants to go big with the car, then you recommend a hot cam?
Patriot Gold Springs - 250 (includes retainers, locators, locks, springs)
LS7 Lifters - 100
1.6RR Comp Pro Magnums - 350
TFS Chromoloy Push Rods - 100
Top End Gasket Set - 100
Guide Plates - 30
Cam Of your choice - ~300.
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1230 for a setup that will slaughter a Hot Cam setup.
Or for 1295 call AI and get their complete cam swap. I know a guy making 373rwhp with the AI 226/234 cam with some cleaned up heads through a M6.
Patriot Gold Springs - 250 (includes retainers, locators, locks, springs)
LS7 Lifters - 100
1.6RR Comp Pro Magnums - 350
TFS Chromoloy Push Rods - 100
Top End Gasket Set - 100
Guide Plates - 30
Cam Of your choice - ~300.
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1230 for a setup that will slaughter a Hot Cam setup.
Or for 1295 call AI and get their complete cam swap. I know a guy making 373rwhp with the AI 226/234 cam with some cleaned up heads through a M6.
05-15-2012, 06:39 PM
#10
I am a bit confused. First you said he wants to go big with the car, then you recommend a hot cam?
Patriot Gold Springs - 250 (includes retainers, locators, locks, springs)
LS7 Lifters - 100
1.6RR Comp Pro Magnums - 350
TFS Chromoloy Push Rods - 100
Top End Gasket Set - 100
Guide Plates - 30
Cam Of your choice - ~300.
-----------------------
1230 for a setup that will slaughter a Hot Cam setup.
Or for 1295 call AI and get their complete cam swap. I know a guy making 373rwhp with the AI 226/234 cam with some cleaned up heads through a M6.
Patriot Gold Springs - 250 (includes retainers, locators, locks, springs)
LS7 Lifters - 100
1.6RR Comp Pro Magnums - 350
TFS Chromoloy Push Rods - 100
Top End Gasket Set - 100
Guide Plates - 30
Cam Of your choice - ~300.
-----------------------
1230 for a setup that will slaughter a Hot Cam setup.
Or for 1295 call AI and get their complete cam swap. I know a guy making 373rwhp with the AI 226/234 cam with some cleaned up heads through a M6.
05-15-2012, 06:53 PM
#11
Just looked at a dyno for a Hot Cam. It laid down 298rwhp.
Most stock LT1s will lay down ~250rwhp.
Thats roughly a 50hp gain. A nice CC503 or something smaller would put him over 300rwhp to 350rwhp.
Just explain he will have a lot more fun with a different top end setup, once he starts adding power he will be addicted and then he won't have to worry about the cam for a bit.
Most stock LT1s will lay down ~250rwhp.
Thats roughly a 50hp gain. A nice CC503 or something smaller would put him over 300rwhp to 350rwhp.
Just explain he will have a lot more fun with a different top end setup, once he starts adding power he will be addicted and then he won't have to worry about the cam for a bit.
05-15-2012, 07:16 PM
#12
If he is going with just a hot cam I would look into going with a beehive spring. They are lighter and have good harmonics. Just make sure to check/set the install height on the springs when you install them and don't just throw them in there.
You can use a double roller timing chain but you might have to clearance the timing cover some to accept it.
Replacing the water pump while you are in there isn't a bad idea if its original or has been in there for a while.
A lot of people hate on the Hot cam but for what it is its a good performer. If the guy wants a small boost in power and still remain stockish drivability its not a bad idea. Keep in mind I would get a mail order tune after the cam swap to take full advantage of it.
You can use a double roller timing chain but you might have to clearance the timing cover some to accept it.
Replacing the water pump while you are in there isn't a bad idea if its original or has been in there for a while.
A lot of people hate on the Hot cam but for what it is its a good performer. If the guy wants a small boost in power and still remain stockish drivability its not a bad idea. Keep in mind I would get a mail order tune after the cam swap to take full advantage of it.
05-15-2012, 07:17 PM
#13
A tuned stock-cam LT1 with headers and good exhaust can put down 300 rwhp.
If it doesn't already have that exhaust work done to it, then you won't gain much with a cam swap. Is this an auto trans? If so, he'll also need a higher stall converter to get the benefit from the cam. What gearing does the car have?
With all the appropriate mods, I'd be shooting for at least 325 to the wheels with the Hotcam, 10 or 15 more with the CC503.
If it doesn't already have that exhaust work done to it, then you won't gain much with a cam swap. Is this an auto trans? If so, he'll also need a higher stall converter to get the benefit from the cam. What gearing does the car have?
With all the appropriate mods, I'd be shooting for at least 325 to the wheels with the Hotcam, 10 or 15 more with the CC503.
05-15-2012, 07:25 PM
#14
^ Very true. An engine is an air pump. More air in and out more power.
If you don't have exhaust or intake that will supply and remove more air, the cam isn't going to help because it can't get air in or out.
If you don't have exhaust or intake that will supply and remove more air, the cam isn't going to help because it can't get air in or out.
05-15-2012, 07:32 PM
#15
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Just looked at a dyno for a Hot Cam. It laid down 298rwhp.
Most stock LT1s will lay down ~250rwhp.
Thats roughly a 50hp gain. A nice CC503 or something smaller would put him over 300rwhp to 350rwhp.
Just explain he will have a lot more fun with a different top end setup, once he starts adding power he will be addicted and then he won't have to worry about the cam for a bit.
Most stock LT1s will lay down ~250rwhp.
Thats roughly a 50hp gain. A nice CC503 or something smaller would put him over 300rwhp to 350rwhp.
Just explain he will have a lot more fun with a different top end setup, once he starts adding power he will be addicted and then he won't have to worry about the cam for a bit.
05-15-2012, 07:34 PM
#16
Um you have 1.7RR "homemade headers" a tune.
Stock means no tune, not valvetrain touch, not exhaust, how the car rolled out of the show room.
EDIT:
Are you talking about the Hot Cam?
http://www.ls1lt1.com/forum/lt1-|-lt...numbers-2.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnx3868CSM
333rwhp with full exhaust.
Stock means no tune, not valvetrain touch, not exhaust, how the car rolled out of the show room.
EDIT:
Are you talking about the Hot Cam?
http://www.ls1lt1.com/forum/lt1-|-lt...numbers-2.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnx3868CSM
333rwhp with full exhaust.
Last edited by F0x Slaughter; 05-15-2012 at 07:39 PM.
05-15-2012, 07:40 PM
#17
Um you have 1.7RR "homemade headers" a tune.
Stock means no tune, not valvetrain touch, not exhaust, how the car rolled out of the show room.
EDIT:
Are you talking about the Hot Cam?
http://www.ls1lt1.com/forum/lt1-|-lt...numbers-2.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnx3868CSM
333rwhp with full exhaust.
Stock means no tune, not valvetrain touch, not exhaust, how the car rolled out of the show room.
EDIT:
Are you talking about the Hot Cam?
http://www.ls1lt1.com/forum/lt1-|-lt...numbers-2.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xnx3868CSM
333rwhp with full exhaust.
05-15-2012, 07:42 PM
#18
05-15-2012, 08:27 PM
#19
I would consider a tune, intake, and exhaust as still stock, since the motor itself hasn't been changed. Others think a car is stock only when it is exactly as it came from the factory. It just depends on who you ask.
