I like everyone going lsx I get thier old ltx parts for free or extremely cheap lol

 

It's the LT4 Corvette valve covers I liked, no goofy drip tab like the LT1 Vette and they clear roller rockers and even some shaft mounts like a champion.

 

Soo you're saying the LSX guys see us on the same level as people that mod V6's? Thats just insulting..You cant even compare someone building an LTX which is a great,powerful engine,to some tard that's trying to squeeze power out of a V6..And yea a H/C/I LSX might make 450 AT THE CRANK,but bull you can get that at the wheels without revving it high..Dont be jealous of the LT's insta-torque lol.LSX and LTX are both great platforms,but I would just hate to be apart of a crowd thats not unique at all..(LSX crowd)..I never see any clean,strong running LT cars here in Indy,but I see LS cars all saturday night when I go cruising..

 

People will build anything, there is no need to argue.

Hell, there is a whole mess of people who mod and race those tiny little sub-2liter econobox engines all motor. I'll be damned if I waste my time on an engine that small, especially without boost or nitrous, but if you search it you will find "Fastest NA" lists for little honda forums and stuff just like we have for our motors.

Good luck telling them to change their minds - if they like what they have, they will spend their money on it just like us...whether or not it sounds completely ridiculous to everyone else .

I'm sure there are BBC guys who laugh at LSx guys just like LSx guys do to us.

 

Puck, you just reminded me of the kids I ran into asking to borrow tools at the track to swap PCMs in an Acura, they were stoked that their cars were running 16s. Think that was after I hit a deer with the sedan so I had a 180K mile Roadmaster wagon in gold with woodgrain, Vista roof, full grandpa mobile that ran 15.5 at 88mph.

The kids were a little less excited about their 16 second lightly modded Acuras after that. Or hell the guys with the near stock 70s BBC Vettes are about the same.

Always something faster.

 

LS motors can easily make 450rwhp with just heads/cam/intake just FYI.

Let me just hop up here for a second.... lol

My original post still is only half joking/sarcasm, however. I completely understand what is being said about the whole "looking at a step down thing" but at the same time, really compare the entire cars we're talking about here. The V6 cars have 2 piece driveshafts, 1 wheel wonder rear ends, drum brakes (on the early models), pos transmissions, and not much potential in the motors (within reasonable grasp anyway).

The LS1 cars AND LT1 cars have a 4L60e or T56, a 10 bolt with 2.73, 3.23 or 3.42 gears, decarbon shocks standard with optional upgrades on the Firehawk, SS, and WS6 cars, same sway bars, 16" or 17" wheels, Z rated tires, capable of over 160mph bone stock, Y pipe exhaust, nearly identical interiors, same audio system options, identical bodies from the firewall to the back, same seats, the list goes on...they're very very similar cars besides the motor, but one costs about twice as much. And THAT, imo, is why people "mess with LT1 cars."

***Puts on flame suit***

In fact, the early 4th gens have some merits over the late 4th gens as well. 98-02 interior door panels and dash pads are much more prone to cracking, monsoon audio in the 98-02 cars isn't near the quality as the 93-97 Bose in the Camaros, the center console/ashtray/cupholders in LT1s seem to hold up much better, and LT1 roof/sail panels don't peel like snake skin. Just some food for thought.

That all being said, I'm really trying to leave opinion/preference out of this and just put some facts out there. The LS1 is a better motor, the numbers they can create are outstanding, and I personally prefer the 98-02 front ends more, but most of the LT1 guys anymore don't even realize the few merits of a 93-97 car. Just doing my duty as an enthusiast (and LT1 owner )

 

yes sir you are right on track, I picked up a 7K LT1 yesterday, with; drum roll please. every thing including the modded K member and cat forward,. It was setting is a 1992 25th anniversary IROC show car, all for peanuts, he is going 5.3 LS. way cool for me.

P.S. it is supposed to have a new ???$500 OPTI, I'll be selling it, anyone need it???

 

To add to the list of merits LT1 cars have over their LS1 siblings...LT1's have the blue tinted side mirrors and in 95 and 96 the firebirds had optional red leather interior. Oh and the 93's had the optional and desired m29 t56 transmission

 

It's still sad to see anything for LTX motors disappear.

 

I know this is lt1 section but there is a 3.8 in the 8s and one street car going for 800 to the wheels and will probably hit it. they use a 4l60e aswell with different bell housing and it depends on which year for a 1 pc ds. also there were several limited slip packages provided. Stock bottom end is also reasonably stout, quite a few guys running 10 plus psi in stock form. I have over 5k into my swap, probably a lot more actually. ill expect 400 to the wheels.

 

There's a lot of wow, but the above... Wow...

 

[QUOTE=esoteric18;16604713]I know this is lt1 section but there is a 3.8 in the 8s and one street car going for 800 to the wheels and will probably hit it. QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't get the 3.8 hate. Just because GM didn't turbo them from the factory doesn't mean they aren't as good as what the GN's & Ttypes had.

I've had a 380whp 00 Monte SS (PT61) and a 470whp (T67) 02 GTP. They both should have been more but I kept outrunning the MAF at abotu 16psi. Both had cams, neither had a built bottom end.

Now, I'll take my LT1 any day over either because its rwd+6 speed, but seeing LTX, LSX, Mustang, Vetter, you name it owners jaws drop on the dyno and on the street with cars that looked stock, sounded damn near stock, but would put a lot of cars to shame was pretty amazing.

On topic; it's sad to see the LT4 stuff gone, I'm glad I have an intake/head setup to hold on to.

 

A 3100lb car with 600+rwhp and 525+rwtq + world class handling and braking is boring? I'm not sure how a clutch shake the car apart or a car that bucks at low speeds would make it more exciting.

 

To be honest not a lot of stuff was ever available for LTX platform. If it wasn't for the fact that much of the SBC stuff fits or is adaptable to our LTX we would have been screwed REALLY hard in aftermarket stuff.

 

Dawg, an LS2 can make that at the crank with basic bold ons (headers, intake, tune). An LS3 can make that with even less. And LS7 makes more than that stock.

And 450rwhp is easily achievable on a H/C/I even on an LS1 all without revving it to 7k rpm. LS2s can make high 400s with the same mods, LS3s can make high 400s with just a cam on stock heads.

There's haters and then there's people that have no clue what they're talking about, yet still hate.

 

Hard to beat the sound of a nasty Lt1

 

Yeah, but there is white interior options in both camaros and trans am's in the LS1 years as well, and besides that's all really personal preference/opinion too.

 

I love how these threads always turn out. FWIW a decent LS1 F body is not 10K, try around 6K on average, and ZO6s are not around $20K, they are closer to $15K nowadays. back on topic I never got the whole LT4 craze other than nostalgia and stock eliminator guys

 

Psssh who cares, does anyone even need Lt4 heads aside from the ultra rare few? They'll still be able to find em.

Every LS1 I've ever driven feels slow as **** unless they're full bolt on's +. They just don't have the low end rip like LT1's do, and to me that's what makes these cars so great. No arguing LS1's are better in just about every way in terms of technology & power potential, but every LT1 I've ever owned has felt alot more fun than the LS1's I've driven. They have to rev a bit before the fun kicks in. All f bodies are great cars though.

 

If you take a look at what 2002-2004 z06's are bringing, its around 19,000-27,000. Very hard to find a nice $15,000 z06.