Opinion on this Stand Alone Fuel System for my N20
01-12-2013, 02:58 PM
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n.
A substance that oxidizes another substance, especially one that supports the combustion of fuel; an oxidizing agent.
The dangerous materials definition of an oxidizing agent is a substance that is not necessarily combustible, but may, generally by yielding oxygen, cause or contribute to the combustion of other material
My point is very basic, not meant for specific applications but holds true to EVERY nitrous motor. Nitrous Oxide speeds up the burn rate inside the cylinder, therefore creating peak cylinder pressure sooner when compared to NA. This in turn will require starting the combustion process later. I prefer to talk in broad terms as you never know who might be reading this at a later date.
I am not discounting what you are saying, but by no means can you just up the octane and neglect the timing aspect of tuning a nitrous motor.
01-12-2013, 03:44 PM
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i appreciate all of the great input.
The only reason why I was asking about the timing is that i don't have an ignition system that automatically retards when i arm the system. So I am always running on a nitrous tune, and that has killed my NA HP. I think the tuner took 6 degrees out. I was hoping that if i ran the same size shot, but with higher octane that i would be able to get some of my timing back. Now I am not sure if this is or isn't true.
If i am not able to get some of my timing back then i should at least be able to up my shot size and still be safe with the higher octane dedicated fuel system right? Maybe a 225? what do yall think?
of course i wont just go out and try any of this. I am going to get my car re-tuned by my tuner when i get the dedicated fuel system, and do any experimenting there on the dyno.
The only reason why I was asking about the timing is that i don't have an ignition system that automatically retards when i arm the system. So I am always running on a nitrous tune, and that has killed my NA HP. I think the tuner took 6 degrees out. I was hoping that if i ran the same size shot, but with higher octane that i would be able to get some of my timing back. Now I am not sure if this is or isn't true.
If i am not able to get some of my timing back then i should at least be able to up my shot size and still be safe with the higher octane dedicated fuel system right? Maybe a 225? what do yall think?
of course i wont just go out and try any of this. I am going to get my car re-tuned by my tuner when i get the dedicated fuel system, and do any experimenting there on the dyno.
01-12-2013, 04:43 PM
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i appreciate all of the great input.
The only reason why I was asking about the timing is that i don't have an ignition system that automatically retards when i arm the system. So I am always running on a nitrous tune, and that has killed my NA HP. I think the tuner took 6 degrees out. I was hoping that if i ran the same size shot, but with higher octane that i would be able to get some of my timing back. Now I am not sure if this is or isn't true.
If i am not able to get some of my timing back then i should at least be able to up my shot size and still be safe with the higher octane dedicated fuel system right? Maybe a 225? what do yall think?
of course i wont just go out and try any of this. I am going to get my car re-tuned by my tuner when i get the dedicated fuel system, and do any experimenting there on the dyno.
The only reason why I was asking about the timing is that i don't have an ignition system that automatically retards when i arm the system. So I am always running on a nitrous tune, and that has killed my NA HP. I think the tuner took 6 degrees out. I was hoping that if i ran the same size shot, but with higher octane that i would be able to get some of my timing back. Now I am not sure if this is or isn't true.
If i am not able to get some of my timing back then i should at least be able to up my shot size and still be safe with the higher octane dedicated fuel system right? Maybe a 225? what do yall think?
of course i wont just go out and try any of this. I am going to get my car re-tuned by my tuner when i get the dedicated fuel system, and do any experimenting there on the dyno.
01-12-2013, 05:21 PM
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the point is nitrous is an "oxidizer"....no need to argue that point is there?
ox·i·diz·er (ks-dzr)
n.
A substance that oxidizes another substance, especially one that supports the combustion of fuel; an oxidizing agent.
The dangerous materials definition of an oxidizing agent is a substance that is not necessarily combustible, but may, generally by yielding oxygen, cause or contribute to the combustion of other material
My point is very basic, not meant for specific applications but holds true to EVERY nitrous motor. Nitrous Oxide speeds up the burn rate inside the cylinder, therefore creating peak cylinder pressure sooner when compared to NA. This in turn will require starting the combustion process later. I prefer to talk in broad terms as you never know who might be reading this at a later date.
I am not discounting what you are saying, but by no means can you just up the octane and neglect the timing aspect of tuning a nitrous motor.
ox·i·diz·er (ks-dzr)
n.
A substance that oxidizes another substance, especially one that supports the combustion of fuel; an oxidizing agent.
The dangerous materials definition of an oxidizing agent is a substance that is not necessarily combustible, but may, generally by yielding oxygen, cause or contribute to the combustion of other material
My point is very basic, not meant for specific applications but holds true to EVERY nitrous motor. Nitrous Oxide speeds up the burn rate inside the cylinder, therefore creating peak cylinder pressure sooner when compared to NA. This in turn will require starting the combustion process later. I prefer to talk in broad terms as you never know who might be reading this at a later date.
I am not discounting what you are saying, but by no means can you just up the octane and neglect the timing aspect of tuning a nitrous motor.
Nothing is being said about going from n/a to a nitrous tune... its a difference in tune from a nitrous tune to another nitrous tune, but using a higher octane fuel. I have ran multi-hundred bottles of nitrous oxide through many vehicles. I know exactly what nitrous oxide is and how it works... Also how to tune it properly to get the most out of it. A discussion on what is worst on a nitrous setup is retarded and needs not happen. Only how to properly tune it is required. I know what RBT and LBT is and also how it effects timing changes and flame fronts. Much more to nitrous than timing.
01-13-2013, 02:54 AM
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i appreciate all of the great input.
The only reason why I was asking about the timing is that i don't have an ignition system that automatically retards when i arm the system. So I am always running on a nitrous tune, and that has killed my NA HP. I think the tuner took 6 degrees out. I was hoping that if i ran the same size shot, but with higher octane that i would be able to get some of my timing back. Now I am not sure if this is or isn't true.
If i am not able to get some of my timing back then i should at least be able to up my shot size and still be safe with the higher octane dedicated fuel system right? Maybe a 225? what do yall think?
of course i wont just go out and try any of this. I am going to get my car re-tuned by my tuner when i get the dedicated fuel system, and do any experimenting there on the dyno.
The only reason why I was asking about the timing is that i don't have an ignition system that automatically retards when i arm the system. So I am always running on a nitrous tune, and that has killed my NA HP. I think the tuner took 6 degrees out. I was hoping that if i ran the same size shot, but with higher octane that i would be able to get some of my timing back. Now I am not sure if this is or isn't true.
If i am not able to get some of my timing back then i should at least be able to up my shot size and still be safe with the higher octane dedicated fuel system right? Maybe a 225? what do yall think?
of course i wont just go out and try any of this. I am going to get my car re-tuned by my tuner when i get the dedicated fuel system, and do any experimenting there on the dyno.
