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New 24x LT1 System - Coming Very Soon

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Old 05-12-2013, 12:52 AM
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Concerns about timing set compatibility are eliminated with the included timing set containing the 1x CMP signal.
This is good news since I'm running a Rollmaster timing set!

Any advantage with the 58x over the 24X?
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
Any advantage with the 58x over the 24X?
6 speed auto trans control, newer PCM, and i guess you could call higher resolution sensors a plus.
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Originally Posted by BOOSTED AFR
6 speed auto trans control, newer PCM, and i guess you could call higher resolution sensors a plus.
A few "down sides" to a 58x system...
  • Electronic throttle required. The GM Gen IV ECMs don't support the idle air motor function and they require two TPS inputs.
  • Flat response knock sensors required. Not a biggie, but you will have to find a way to mount the two knock sensors. Consider the solution pictured below to install into previous resonant knock sensor location(s).

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For a high performance application....the GM 6 speed autos aren't great IMHO. I'd stick with a 4L80E if you want a durable automatic overdrive.....or get a 4L60E built by the same people who builds the ones that hold up in a few of the 10 sec. N/A LT1 cars on here.
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Will the kit include a harness and pcm?

Or can you split out and only by certain parts of the "kit"?
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Originally Posted by 05_quick4door
Will the kit include a harness and pcm?
To offer a "kit", the least common denominator must be established. LT1 engines were available in:
  • 1992-1996 Corvette
  • 1993-1997 F-Body
  • 1994-1996 B-Body

That makes the least common denominator the crank and cam signal components:
  • Engine timing cover with CMP boss
  • 24 tooth (or 58 tooth) crank reluctor
  • CKP sensor
  • 1x (or 4x) cam timing sprocket with crank sprocket and double row timing chain

Beyond that...
  • certain engine harnesses builds are available
  • certain crank hubs are available (a modification service many be offered for early hubs)
  • PCMs are available
  • PCM bracket are available
  • coil bracket assemblies are available
  • EFILive and HP Tuners are available
  • and so on....

I speak with a lot of people who simply ask, "How much is the 24x conversion kit for an LT1." It's a loaded question and there is no one answer because there are too many variations depending on application.

Or can you split out and only by certain parts of the "kit"?
For the sake of replacement, each component will be available separately. The kits will be designed to work together. Substituting other components (piecing together your own kit) will not be supported or recommended. In other words, if you choose to use a different timing set that moves the crank reluctor out of the sensor range, you will be responsible for making everything work.
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Thanks, I'm a big megasquirt fan and up to this point there is only a few options on how to wire it up. Using your basic kit less electronics and harness is very appealing to me for eliminating the opti/pcm
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This is great news for the LTx crowd.
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Originally Posted by BOOSTED AFR
6 speed auto trans control, newer PCM, and i guess you could call higher resolution sensors a plus.
What's the rpm range for the newer pcms?
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Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
What's the rpm range for the newer pcms?
IIRC 411 PCM goes to 8k
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Always nice to see a company still putting out new stuff for the LT1! I'm still enjoying my 24x conversion here two years later.
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What are the chances ya'll will make a 58x kit (front cover/timing set/reluctors/sensors) for Mark IV BBC engines? I see there is a kit for GEN VI already from EFI Connection and one from GM now too. It would be nice to have this option for the earlier and more common big blocks.
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Originally Posted by 1961ba427
What are the chances ya'll will make a 58x kit (front cover/timing set/reluctors/sensors) for Mark IV BBC engines? I see there is a kit for GEN VI already from EFI Connection and one from GM now too. It would be nice to have this option for the earlier and more common big blocks.
It's currently unlikely. The Mark IV BBC engines have a goofy front oil pan lip that won't allow for a crank sensor to be mounted in a new timing cover. The Gen VI oil pan bolt pattern won't fit a Mark IV block. The Gen VI timing cover bolt pattern won't work well on the Mark IV block.
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I have long been considering the 24x mod for my LE2 LT1.

Are these changes something I should wait for, or is this something for the hardcore racing guys?

I run a Cloyes single roller which is fairly new, so the double chain is not needed for me.
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engine will probably run little better and should see a little better fuel mileage. But the LSx computer you are able to live tune it which is nice and easier to tune from what I have read. And you convert it to coil per plug and get rid of the Opti spark that many have troubles with.
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Originally Posted by Bigtoyz
engine will probably run little better and should see a little better fuel mileage. But the LSx computer you are able to live tune it which is nice and easier to tune from what I have read. And you convert it to coil per plug and get rid of the Opti spark that many have troubles with.
With some of the tuning software you can make live changes correct?
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yes....believe all the software for the 98+ OBD2's are live tune. Its not so much the software but if the OBD2 computer is capable of doing live tuning. the 97 LT1's are not. But the LSx are........ they have faster processors and just ability to do it.
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Here's my setup currently nearing completion. I am using '04 truck coils (because I had a set on hand) and built my own coill mount brackets.





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That looks awesome Dynamic396...what are your goals for that thing?
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Any update on when this new style cam sensor is going to be available S10Wildside?

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