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Old 09-11-2013, 09:11 PM
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Any piston suggestions? Anyone????
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Youre now changing pistons?

Diamond Pistons.
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Originally Posted by SwampWS6
Any piston suggestions? Anyone????
Keep what you have now if you are going to turbo it.

Just keep in mind it will be a dog until you add boost.
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I'd keep it together and save pennies to boost the daylights out of it.
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
With a .028" head gasket and .020" in the hole your compression is down around 9.5:1. That is HORRID for N/A, unless you are planning boost?
Do you or anyone have any math formula to show what my actual CR is? Or something that shows the correct cc piston to get? It will be next july or later before I boost.
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Compression ratio calculators are all over the internet - just plug in things like chamber size, valve relief size, dome/dish, bore, HG bore, stroke, HG compressed thickness and you get your CC ratio.
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Originally Posted by RamAir95TA
With a .028" head gasket and .020" in the hole your compression is down around 9.5:1.

How did you come up with those numbers? My calculations on a CR calculator shows that I would be around 10.8:1. . . . . . My bore is 4.03, stroke 3.75, chamber volume 55, Head gasket thickness .032, Head gasket bore 4.06, piston to deck height .10, dished piston 16cc = 10.8.94:1? Just curious. . . . . .
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You could do a chinese turbo, some 88-98 chevy pickup shorty headers turned backwards, homemade hot side, ebay cold side, and a tune and have a nice setup for 600rwhp or more for decently cheap. I dont konw what your fiance was going to spend on the turbo, but go chinese turbo and spend wisely elsewhere and you can finish a turbo kit for as much as alot of companies charge for just a turbo *(~$3000). Or Id honestly pull those pistons and get some flattops if you want to stay NA.
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Originally Posted by bufmatmuslepants
I dont konw what your fiance was going to spend on the turbo, but go chinese turbo and spend wisely elsewhere and you can finish a turbo kit for as much as alot of companies charge for just a turbo *(~$3000).
Their is a precision certified dealer in the STL area and I can get a 76mm BB entry level turbo for around $1200. Just the turbo. My fiance dad has a pipe bender, so i will be saving a lot of money. Except for headers an other misc items. . . . . . . Thanks bufmat, great idea!!!!!
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Originally Posted by SwampWS6
How did you come up with those numbers? My calculations on a CR calculator shows that I would be around 10.8:1. . . . . . My bore is 4.03, stroke 3.75, chamber volume 55, Head gasket thickness .032, Head gasket bore 4.06, piston to deck height .10, dished piston 16cc = 10.8.94:1? Just curious. . . . . .
If your compression is indeed like that then you will not be able to use very much boost. Maybe 7 to 10psi safely with a good tune. You may want to stay N/A for now to just get the motor running. After running it for awhile then consider an FI application. JMHO. Get with your engine builder and get exact specs to figure out where you are compression wise before making any induction decisions.
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
If your compression is indeed like that then you will not be able to use very much boost.
I wasnt trying to boost initially, But if my CR was what RamAir said it was I would build it then boost it. But my CR isnt 9:5 so i will go ahead with the build. I dont even need to change pistons. . . . . . . Kinda what I figured. . . . . . .
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I'd at least do the 0.026 head gaskets to bump it up what you can.
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Originally Posted by bufmatmuslepants
I'd at least do the 0.026 head gaskets to bump it up what you can.
Good idea, Im just worried that my valves would bottom out. Thats why i was looking at a safe thickness. . . . . . . .
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Originally Posted by SwampWS6
Good idea, Im just worried that my valves would bottom out. Thats why i was looking at a safe thickness. . . . . . . .
Your valves won't bottom out, I run .275 dome pistons and still have plenty of room with .620 lift on a .52 gasket. So do the math, you'll have plenty of room, and there's plenty of ways to test if you have enough room.
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Originally Posted by DVS LT1
Dude I'd double check all your/machinist's measurements to confirm compression. Use the calculator someone posted.

My engine's final compression calculation was 11.08:1 and that was with the same head chamber (55cc), same -16cc inverted dome/dish piston relief, and "Mr. Gasket" .026 head gasket. I don't have my block deck spec handy but you and I can't possibly be 1-1.5 whole compression points off just based on the block... ???
Im glad someonelse had similar parts. I feel a lot better about my decision. The one thing that I have noticed is that SOME people in forums think they are experts at building a good motor. I take some people advice which are good and proven, an i take some of their advice with a grain of salt especially the guys i found to be completly wrong. Do you have any rwhp numbers? That was the OP, only two people actually responded to. . . . . . . I really appreciate your input!
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My final compression ratio ended up being 10.88:1.... with mahle -16cc dished pistons, the piston .020 ( I think) below the deck, 54cc chambers, and the same 0.26 gaskets. stroke was 3.75, 4.03 bore, 4.06 gasket hole.... I can't think of anything else.

No real good numbers on it yet.

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Originally Posted by Quazz
My final compression ratio ended up being 10.88:1.... with mahle -16cc dished pistons, the piston .020 ( I think) below the deck, 54cc chambers, and the same 0.26 gaskets. stroke was 3.75, 4.03 bore, 4.06 gasket hole.... I can't think of anything else.

No real good numbers on it yet.
Thanks a lot. . . . With 0.26 gasket that puts me at 10:97 CR. I cant wait to get it up an running
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Originally Posted by DVS LT1
Well, don't feel too good about having put together a catalogue build just b/c I did too!
Thing is I didnt put a catalogue build together, at least for the time I didnt think so. I just chose to get a decent set of heads and have my machinist go at it. I thought about doing LE, but after doing research and talking to people who uses his products their have been a lot of complaints on his porting jobs and having different valve lengths. I did not want to ship my heads to him an be the guy that gets the screwed up heads. Plus LE is an internet sensation for LT1 guys who dont have a reputable machine shop or doesnt have a shop in a 400 mile radius. Most LT1's arent running LE setups and are outrunning LE(JMHO). I think their SOME local shops can port just as good or better than LE. I chose a 280XFI cam because im not driving a race car so i wouldnt get that much more performance out of getting a custom cam. There are some things that I would totally do different next time (H/C/I), but as this being my first build i think i did pretty well. Hopefully I will have the numbers to show soon after the tune!
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The thing about all that is that "almost 430 rwhp" through an m6 and a 10 bolt isnt very impressive. You can get that with LE2s or AI200s on a stock bottom end. Yes, 430rwhp would be fun, especially coming from a 300rwhp bolton only car, but the issue is that for the same amount of money, just spent differently, could have gotten you 450, or more hp. 95ramairTA puts down 455 through a 4l60e and a 9", assuming 18% loss through an auto and a 9", doing the math to 13% through an m6, thats 482rwhp...and his AI200s cost the same as your trickflows, and your -16cc pistons cost the same as his flattops giving him 12.7:1, and his custom AI cam gives the same streetability as your off the shelf comp, and a tune costs the same as a tune. Theres many others making over 420 on stock bottom ends, daily driven, through an M6 and a 10 bolt. I think 11:1 with the 0.026 head gasket will help, but at the end of the day, you left 50 or more hp on the table by going with a catalog build. Either way, ENJOY IT!
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