My 383 rwhp estimate?
09-16-2013, 05:54 PM
#41
The thing about all that is that "almost 430 rwhp" through an m6 and a 10 bolt isnt very impressive. You can get that with LE2s or AI200s on a stock bottom end. Yes, 430rwhp would be fun, especially coming from a 300rwhp bolton only car, but the issue is that for the same amount of money, just spent differently, could have gotten you 450, or more hp.
09-16-2013, 06:29 PM
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RamAir95TA are your numbers threw a LOCKED OR UNLOCKED converter?
09-16-2013, 07:04 PM
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I will be happy with 430rwhp. I guess you are right. Like I said, first build, I would totally do things differently. I would consider doing AI's for my next build. But at the same time I am one of those guys who is sketchy about "He said" type stuff especially when it comes to a car. This is my first street machine so you have to totally understand where I am coming from. Hopefully my machinist did good port work. Then I will post a thread comparing my build to the LE and AI builds. I know I might be short some hp, but im wondering actually how much
You're only going to know the answer to your question when you finally get things dialed in and run the car at Gateway.
09-16-2013, 07:21 PM
#44
Too many people give feedback without a solid reference point and then too few reading can actually make intelligent comparisons.
I have known a LOT of guys who THOUGHT they had fast cars till they actually tried to measure it or ran against a quick car.
Then even when comparing two quick cars say both guys spent $3000 on a topend/valvetrain setup and car "A" runs 11.3 @ 118mph at 3200lbs and car "B" runs 11.5 @ 116mph at 3900lbs at similar elevation and weather conditions which set of parts works better?
There is a LOT of positive feedback out there on mediocre parts simply because the owners don't know any better. Most of us have done that at one time or another, some of us get over it and make more thoughtful evaluations of parts later on.
I have known a LOT of guys who THOUGHT they had fast cars till they actually tried to measure it or ran against a quick car.
Then even when comparing two quick cars say both guys spent $3000 on a topend/valvetrain setup and car "A" runs 11.3 @ 118mph at 3200lbs and car "B" runs 11.5 @ 116mph at 3900lbs at similar elevation and weather conditions which set of parts works better?
There is a LOT of positive feedback out there on mediocre parts simply because the owners don't know any better. Most of us have done that at one time or another, some of us get over it and make more thoughtful evaluations of parts later on.
09-16-2013, 08:22 PM
#48
ET is more about how you put the power you have to the ground then it is about how much power you make on a dyno.
My 350rwhp stalled auto build out ET'd a lot of 400rwhp cars on here, ran 11.7s and still had a lot of dialing in to do. ABA's old baby cammed 383 only made like 360 and is running WAY bottom 11s last I heard.
Neither run AI parts BTW, so don't think you HAVE to run one of them to get good performance.
My 350rwhp stalled auto build out ET'd a lot of 400rwhp cars on here, ran 11.7s and still had a lot of dialing in to do. ABA's old baby cammed 383 only made like 360 and is running WAY bottom 11s last I heard.
Neither run AI parts BTW, so don't think you HAVE to run one of them to get good performance.
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09-17-2013, 12:47 AM
#51
At the end of the day, these are the only numbers that matter. Weight and trap tell the real story, and 60' tells me how well the suspension is working.
With that being said, if you're running 8's with a 2200lb car and someone's running 9's with a 3000lb car, at the end of the day it doesn't matter whose combo is what, because the guy with the 8 second ride is faster. It's kinda like when the Honda guys give you that "My 14 second car makes 200hp from a 1.6L and you make 500hp from a 5.7L, so mine is better because of hp/L even though you just blew my doors off." Just my $.02.
With that being said, if you're running 8's with a 2200lb car and someone's running 9's with a 3000lb car, at the end of the day it doesn't matter whose combo is what, because the guy with the 8 second ride is faster. It's kinda like when the Honda guys give you that "My 14 second car makes 200hp from a 1.6L and you make 500hp from a 5.7L, so mine is better because of hp/L even though you just blew my doors off." Just my $.02.
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09-17-2013, 05:31 AM
#52
So OP, what's your plan? 0.026 gasket and a tune? When can we expect some dyno or track numbers? I think you'll have a big **** eating grin on your face regardless if it makes 450rwhp or 350, it's a big jump from stock. And as long as your happy, that's what matters at the end of the day. I'd love 430rwhp.
09-17-2013, 07:36 AM
#53
Yea, .026 gasket and a tune. Maybe Mr. Gasket or Cometics! I will post dyno numbers and track numbers if i can get done before the end of open track season. I dont have many suspension mods so my track numbers wont be all that great but i cant wait to see the results!
09-17-2013, 07:45 AM
#54
I really want to post my numbers to compare against LE and AI since their the norm in this forum. I just want other newbs to the forum to understand that LE and AI are not LT1 gods, just guys on the internet that does pretty decent work. Their not the only people who know their stuff. . . . . . . BTW who is the quickest guy in the forum????? Does he run LE an AI????? Just curious. . . . . .
09-17-2013, 08:09 AM
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Don't do cometics. No reason for it on a N/A car. In order for them to work your deck and head surfaces need to be perfectly true. If there is the slightest imperfection you will have coolant in the oil or cylinders eventually.
09-17-2013, 04:40 PM
#57
At the end of the day, these are the only numbers that matter. Weight and trap tell the real story, and 60' tells me how well the suspension is working.
With that being said, if you're running 8's with a 2200lb car and someone's running 9's with a 3000lb car, at the end of the day it doesn't matter whose combo is what, because the guy with the 8 second ride is faster. It's kinda like when the Honda guys give you that "My 14 second car makes 200hp from a 1.6L and you make 500hp from a 5.7L, so mine is better because of hp/L even though you just blew my doors off." Just my $.02.
With that being said, if you're running 8's with a 2200lb car and someone's running 9's with a 3000lb car, at the end of the day it doesn't matter whose combo is what, because the guy with the 8 second ride is faster. It's kinda like when the Honda guys give you that "My 14 second car makes 200hp from a 1.6L and you make 500hp from a 5.7L, so mine is better because of hp/L even though you just blew my doors off." Just my $.02.
I get how you are trying to deflect this comment BUT I was talking within the LT1 platform. We can see people every day saying how great the setup in their gutted out chicken bucket is when there are guys with much heavier cars and similar money spent running in some cases FASTER. Or cases where the lighter car is .3-4 faster but 1000lbs lighter and many are so stupid as to only see ET.
09-18-2013, 12:53 AM
#58
I get how you are trying to deflect this comment BUT I was talking within the LT1 platform. We can see people every day saying how great the setup in their gutted out chicken bucket is when there are guys with much heavier cars and similar money spent running in some cases FASTER. Or cases where the lighter car is .3-4 faster but 1000lbs lighter and many are so stupid as to only see ET.
True, you're absolutely correct. You see some half-assed engine build thrown into a milk crate and it flies, whereas another may have a way better executed and planned combination but is running full weight and is not as fast. One thing to consider though is, if the guy with the gutted setup puts together a 9 second car for $8k and the guy with the full weight 10 second car does it for $12k, some may say the better thought out combo is the guy who went faster for the least amount of coin spent, regardless of whether or not he has Flintstones floors or not (I understand the point you're illustrating though, some people are blinded by ET and/or dyno numbers and can't see a combination for the finer points). Point is, it's all what you're going after, and not everyone needs to do anything a certain way. Some like walking over-priced garage queens with a $5k SBC-powered Yugo, others for the absolute quickest time slip they can eek out of a given setup, others like taking 2-ton tanks and blowing the doors off of people and laughing at the looks on their faces. It's all in what the individual wants, and if they get whatever that is they are after, cool.
Now in this scenario, I would say car "B" is making 60 or so more hp for the same price as car "A" but lugging around 700lbs more, so car "B" clearly has a better thought out power plant, but you can't blame car "A" for capitalizing on running a lighter car, lol.
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09-18-2013, 10:23 AM
#59
I get how you are trying to deflect this comment BUT I was talking within the LT1 platform. We can see people every day saying how great the setup in their gutted out chicken bucket is when there are guys with much heavier cars and similar money spent running in some cases FASTER. Or cases where the lighter car is .3-4 faster but 1000lbs lighter and many are so stupid as to only see ET.
09-18-2013, 05:22 PM
#60
Couple hundred is a halfassed attempt at understating the truth the average f-body is what 3600ish at the track with a few maybe 3700? Normal raceweight for my car is 4150-4200lbs. Do the math that is 14% if you want to pretend that is meaningless???
You don 't like me so you are throwing out bullshit to try and muddy the waters.
When taken for what it is a true street car, my car runs well. You want to see what my parts do in a racecar look at bowtienut's Impala 10.9 at 3800lbs. Don't see too many heads/cam f-bodies running times like that but then we wouldn't expect them to because weight is meaningless right?
You don 't like me so you are throwing out bullshit to try and muddy the waters.
When taken for what it is a true street car, my car runs well. You want to see what my parts do in a racecar look at bowtienut's Impala 10.9 at 3800lbs. Don't see too many heads/cam f-bodies running times like that but then we wouldn't expect them to because weight is meaningless right?