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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 12:37 PM
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Damn me... I can't figure out what to do with this engine. Part it out, 396 it, or get the 454 LSX crate I really want.

All this time I thought I had 210 AFR's on this thing and they're 195's. 195's! What am I going to do with those other than sell them now. Useless junk. What was I even thinking when I ordered those... these 195's will work swell with my motor? If I only had a time machine to see what was going to be on the streets in the future.

I had almost made up my mind to just re do the bottom end and keep the LT4 but now what's the point. 195cc AFR's ?!?! what an idiot.
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 01:54 PM
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Are you sure they weren't 195 castings that have been ported to a new intake port volume of 210cc?
And even if not, what's so terrible about AFR 195's? What's the engine not doing that you want it to do?
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 02:48 PM
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I'll buy them off you. I'm looking for a good set of cheap, unwanted heads.
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 03:05 PM
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My Ai 215's started life as TFS 195's. Whats going on?
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 03:21 PM
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Well the #8 cylinder went some time ago. I did a quick redo of the motor and at the time I was still driving the car as a daily so I needed it to be tamer. Got rid of the Joe O. cam and put in a tamer cam and went with a 230/236 custom grind from Thunder Racing (R.I.P.) and sold off the stock LT1 heads to some shop. I also had N20 I got rid of that setup too.

I went for the LT4 Intake port matched and LT4 AFR's 195 cc's port matched trying to be "emissions friendly". Now that I started to break into the engine it started coming back (this was a good 10 years ago I did this the car was in storage all this time). The rear end went too so I never got to enjoy it.

The idea of what I was going to do was to finish what I started except this time go 396 and build bullet proof bottom end since I already had the top end then when I saw the 195cc that's just not going to be enough to breathe the way I need them too for that kind of bottom end.

At this point with the money it's going to take to do the block just to have restrictive heads everything keep rolling in the direction of just ditching the LT1 and getting the 454 LSX block from GM and building the motor up.

I thought about doing a boost built forged 383 and keeping the LT4 top end I have now and then maybe piecing together a Twin or single turbo kit which wouldn't be so bad but plumbing and fitting and welding and all that jazz is going to take time (and mistakes).

So I said 396 LT4 it will be and then it's just another road block.
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MEAN LT1
My Ai 215's started life as TFS 195's. Whats going on?
I know I know they can still be ported it's so much money you waste. When I should of just ordered the 210's for 500bucks more when it made sense too. I'm just kicking myself because I thought I'd be done with the heads but pretty much it's going to a complete engine rebuild to get it where I want it to be.
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 04:00 PM
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if you are that dissatisfied with the 195's...send them off to Lloyd Elliott

he will make them as good as they can be
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Old Aug 18, 2017 | 05:19 PM
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195's should be good for a 383..
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Part out the motor and buy the 454LSX because you have already made up your mind.
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Old Aug 19, 2017 | 07:06 PM
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Well the 454 was the idea of going N/A then I decided to skip that and go Max lt4 N/A but the heads aren't going to flow like I want them too for a wicked bottom end. I'm just going to bullet proof the block and boost it.
I'll have to work on the piping in solid edge. That should save some headaches.

The world forgot about us all they remember are our Optisparks but the LT1 is still here.. its still standing.. it's still strong.
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Old Aug 22, 2017 | 09:00 AM
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While you are correct that it's extra money, having the 195s ported will most likely be the easiest course of action. Stinks to spend money twice, but it happens .
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Originally Posted by Puck
Stinks to spend money twice, but it happens .
This ^^
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Old Aug 22, 2017 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MuhThugga
I'll buy them off you. I'm looking for a good set of cheap, unwanted heads.
haha I don't think AFR & Cheap belong in the same sentence...

I see we're in the same state maybe we can swap opti's
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Old Aug 22, 2017 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOrleansLT1
This ^^
...in my case three or four times
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