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Old Dec 10, 2019 | 08:57 AM
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Well, its off the car for the last time.

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Old Dec 10, 2019 | 09:11 AM
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What era? 5.3 swap????
Chineese bloewrz?
The info is too much! Plz stop with all the detail!1

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Old Dec 10, 2019 | 10:03 AM
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I feel like I saw those pics on CL recently. What's next?
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Old Dec 10, 2019 | 11:39 AM
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What era? 5.3 swap????
Chineese bloewrz?
The info is too much! Plz stop with all the detail!1
Just for you.

Rabbit hole, commence falling in... Lots of SCH10 SS and hopefully, a simple hotside that has easier plug access
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Last batch of fittings arrived, should be ready to go

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Old Dec 11, 2019 | 12:15 PM
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For a second with that exhaust setup I thought you were joining the diesel brodozer clan.
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Old Dec 11, 2019 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
For a second with that exhaust setup I thought you were joining the diesel brodozer clan.
Nope just a new hotside.

And since we troll's need moar pics, here is more fun for the winter ahead.

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And of course, doing some surgery to a brand new harness seemed perfectly logical

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Gonna be a fun winter getting it all set the way I want it to be.

(I suppose I need to talk about bad optis and hotcams or something)
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Good Lord. I was just thinking I was going to have fun merely replacing the heater core hoses and new HD w/p. You win.

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Old Dec 18, 2019 | 05:09 AM
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Sweet, are you doing all the fab work yourself?
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Sweet, are you doing all the fab work yourself?
Not the welding, I am just a fitter.
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I owned a turbo GLI once but it was lame so I never touched it so I'm still very much a turbo newb. The new setup obviously looks cleaner and much less restrictive than the previous setup, besides better plug clearance what improvements are you expecting whether it be power and/or spool wise?

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Old Dec 18, 2019 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Shownomercy
Not the welding, I am just a fitter.
You're still here?
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Old Dec 18, 2019 | 09:40 AM
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I owned a turbo GLI once but it was lame so I never touched it so I'm still very much a turbo newb. The new setup obviously looks cleaner and much less restrictive than the previous setup, besides better plug clearance what improvements are you expecting whether it be power and/or spool wise?
Its ironically smaller pipe than previous, going from 3in to 2in on crossover. Goal is just ground clearance and plug access. Also going to a 4in down pipe versus the old 3 in. It may spool quicker, it may not, I have a bad combo in the sense its a large CI motor, with a small turbine turbo.

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You're still here?
Swapping in a hot cam meow!

Wiring, something I have never been great at...

I ordered a sheet of ABS to do the final mount but figured a mock up setup on some scrap wood would work. I give you, this rats nest


So along with the dedicated battery hook up for the PCM itself, I plan to run a direct Hot/Ground to the panel that is fed after the cutoff switch. Those are the red/black buses on each side. Fuse panel in center is a switched ignition hot setup rather than my previous hot all the time. #progress
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Also wanted to bypass all remaining car inputs for starts etc. This was the least cheesy setup I could find. Igntion hot, then a bump start setup. Two extra switches will prob be radio and my other misc stuff. (Air comp, line lock, air valves)
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I will prob verify car starts, and runs prior to finalizing board.

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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
Good Lord. I was just thinking I was going to have fun merely replacing the heater core hoses and new HD w/p. You win.

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I just did 100% heater/AC system. Those hoses were not fun. If motor is out, should actually be enjoyable.

I ******* hate/love these cars. Everything is a challenge, even in a shop. But when done, and done right, the satisfaction of beating this beast is so worth it.
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Ill eventually join the turbo crowd. But im going to focus on frame/suspension work first. Rest aint fun if your ride isnt comfy.

Full UMI setup to be chipped away this next year. Then, ill focus on a destroked, turbo'd LT1.

Accepted the fact my intake and exhaust will have to be 100% fabricated. Kinda sucks, but excuses to get better tools!
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Ill eventually join the turbo crowd. But im going to focus on frame/suspension work first. Rest aint fun if your ride isnt comfy.

Full UMI setup to be chipped away this next year. Then, ill focus on a destroked, turbo'd LT1.

Accepted the fact my intake and exhaust will have to be 100% fabricated. Kinda sucks, but excuses to get better tools!
Getting a +700whp car to hook requires a suspension that is rather....rough riding
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Originally Posted by Shownomercy
Getting a +700whp car to hook requires a suspension that is rather....rough riding
V6 springs in the back, doe!
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I just did 100% heater/AC system. Those hoses were not fun. If motor is out, should actually be enjoyable.
I'm a moron and the two times the engine has been out I thought I was going to replace them, but never did.
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Shownomercy, so is there really much performance effected by going to the log style tubular manifold vs a setup like Atkins has on the GW where it's like forward facing long tubes merged to the turbo or is this a deal where it satisfies a particular goal? As in, this is good enough for X amount of HP whereas his setup is clearly good to like 1400 to the tire. Total turbo noob here but I'd love a set of twins one day, I just hear it's hard to find the room for 2.
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Shownomercy, so is there really much performance effected by going to the log style tubular manifold vs a setup like Atkins has on the GW where it's like forward facing long tubes merged to the turbo or is this a deal where it satisfies a particular goal? As in, this is good enough for X amount of HP whereas his setup is clearly good to like 1400 to the tire. Total turbo noob here but I'd love a set of twins one day, I just hear it's hard to find the room for 2.
Eh, for my setup, its much easier to add a pound or so extra boost to make up for log style short comings. But, if I were in a class were I was limited to turbo size etc, then yes, making tubular headers to chase every last HP is prob worth it. (my particular turbo is or will be maxed out by mid 700 whp is my guess)

Honestly though, look at all the SBE 5,3/4.8 etc records, most if not all just used OEM manifolds flipped. There is something to be learned there. A smaller hotside diameter pains most to think about but it will be better than the usual SBC mindset of bigger is better.
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Originally Posted by Vicious95Z28
Shownomercy, so is there really much performance effected by going to the log style tubular manifold vs a setup like Atkins has on the GW where it's like forward facing long tubes merged to the turbo or is this a deal where it satisfies a particular goal? As in, this is good enough for X amount of HP whereas his setup is clearly good to like 1400 to the tire. Total turbo noob here but I'd love a set of twins one day, I just hear it's hard to find the room for 2.
For a street car, logs win everyday. Smaller tubes = more velocity, which will help the turbo spool faster. Thick walled logs will hold more heat, also helping spool

Go over to yellowbullet and read the turbo stickies, they are a great knowledge base for anyone, especially someone new to turbos
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Heck yeah, thanks guys, definitely interesting stuff. SNM, can't wait to see it when it's done, brotha, everything is looking great. The smaller diameter tubes was the one thing I actually knew about, keeping exhaust velocity high to spool the turbo quicker. Definitely makes sense, I've also noticed the same on alot of diesel trucks. Chintzy looking lil manifolds and smallish crossover pipes. All kinda makes sense now. I guess there's a point when larger tubes may come into play but I'm just speculating here that that's a case when there's an incredibly high amount of exhaust velocity from an engine that's making huge power.
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