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Old 12-24-2004, 02:54 PM
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I love my $2,200 95 Formula, 69k on the clock. The LT1 engine just sounds soo much meaner. To me an engine sound is as important as looks and performance. I dont care if you have a 10 second Civic it still isnt going to sound as good as a stock LT1. I'm currently working on an LE2 setup for my Formula. I dont think any LS1 could sound as good as an LT1 with a 109 lsa cam through a 3" x pipe.

I think they definately feel more like an animal. Theres nothing like making a left turn and taking up both lanes with your car. The mean roar of the engine, the smoke pouring from the tires, banging through the gears. It just feel much more raw than the LS1.
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Originally Posted by mongse
LT1 because I know the motor inside and out and you can't bolt any set of SBC heads you want on an LS1.

At least I know where all those beer cans I recycled back in the day went....LS1 blocks.
You can't bolt any set of SBC heads to an lt1 either. Reverse cooling remember?
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Originally Posted by big dave
You can't bolt any set of SBC heads to an lt1 either. Reverse cooling remember?
Sure you can...gotta do some modifications to coolant passages, but it's DEFINITELY possible.
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Originally Posted by Shawn MacAnanny
I love my $2,200 95 Formula, 69k on the clock. The LT1 engine just sounds soo much meaner. To me an engine sound is as important as looks and performance. I dont care if you have a 10 second Civic it still isnt going to sound as good as a stock LT1. I'm currently working on an LE2 setup for my Formula. I dont think any LS1 could sound as good as an LT1 with a 109 lsa cam through a 3" x pipe.

I think they definately feel more like an animal. Theres nothing like making a left turn and taking up both lanes with your car. The mean roar of the engine, the smoke pouring from the tires, banging through the gears. It just feel much more raw than the LS1.
God damn you got a good price! I sure as hell wouldn't pass on that.
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I also had to rebuild the front end . Still total spent including car with 58,000 miles, and all parts, new hood, 17x11 ZR1 rims, was only $3100. The car weighs 3270lbs which is almost nothing.
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Wow, still totally worth it. Good find!
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yeah i bought mine as a rebuilt title for 7500 with 65000 miles on it 3 years ago...and Im probably at around 13k including everything from suspension and wheels and tires to a 383 with 4 bolt splayed, nitrous, mcleod street twin etc....
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Those are some beautiful rides brother
thanks i just got both of them within the past three months,the 98 i actually got about 3 weeks ago......you wouldnt believe the price and mods.
take a look at my post in the newbies section under another Ls1 noob.
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Originally Posted by mongse
Sure you can...gotta do some modifications to coolant passages, but it's DEFINITELY possible.
Really, can you please elaborate? This definitely opens up alot of possibilities. How costly?
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Originally Posted by big dave
Really, can you please elaborate? This definitely opens up alot of possibilities. How costly?

If you do a search over on CZ28.com, theres a couple good threads in advanced tech about this. Late Model Engineering (LME) here in Houston has done a set of Darts for a 415CID LT1.
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Yeah its getting more and more popular now...all of sudden the lt1 market has been increasingly getting more and more active
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Originally Posted by big dave
Really, can you please elaborate? This definitely opens up alot of possibilities. How costly?

There is a speed shop in Doraville, Georgia that has machined several Canfield heads for to work with the reverse cooling of the LT1. There is a guy on LT1tech (Godspeedz) that runs these heads on his 383 solid roller LT1 M6 and puts down 506 RWHP
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Originally Posted by METALBEAST
There is a speed shop in Doraville, Georgia that has machined several Canfield heads for to work with the reverse cooling of the LT1. There is a guy on LT1tech (Godspeedz) that runs these heads on his 383 solid roller LT1 M6 and puts down 506 RWHP
Its a good thing the LT1 aftermarket world is waking up because the LS1 aftermarket world is about to explode!!!!!
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Originally Posted by brandboZ28
Its a good thing the LT1 aftermarket world is waking up because the LS1 aftermarket world is about to explode!!!!!

Wait till Joe Overtons new set up comes out, I just honestly wish we had a more cost effective source of converterd SBC heads, I always hear about 23* headed Pro Actions flowing 325+ CFM, that would really bridge the gap in performance between our LT1s and these LS1s. I see a lot of potential in the SBC 23* head segment, just so much R&D.
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IIRC Mindgame has a set of converted Race heads and he makes like 570whp NA with a 383 or 385 or such EFI and street legal.
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I hold on to mine cuz it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside
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If you read the entire list of modifications to Mindgame's car, you'll see that his combo is very well thought-out and very expensive. He definitely sweated the details and it shows.
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Yeah, a lot of machine shops will do it now. CFM in Indianapolis quoted me like $300 to do any set of heads...SB2.2, Buick 10s, 18*, whatever.

I predict this will become a VERY popular modification in the next year or so. I talked to several companies @ PRI (Brodix, World, Dart) and they either had little interest or "were still in the planning stages" of making reverse cooling heads. If the companies won't do it for us, then it's up to the consumers to make it work. Fits my "Why buy it when you can build it" way of thinking.

The biggest hang-up will be getting an intake manifold to match the vastly different ports. I'm getting a set of All-Pro 220's to put on a twin turbo 3rd gen car later this year. I need to ask Bob @ AP if they've got any plans for reverse cooling. With what they've got coming out for the LS-motors in '05, hopefully he will. Look up the numbers on their heads, you'll be amazed. Then find the price on them and wipe up the crap that dribbles down your leg.
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Originally Posted by mongse
Yeah, a lot of machine shops will do it now. CFM in Indianapolis quoted me like $300 to do any set of heads...SB2.2, Buick 10s, 18*, whatever.

I predict this will become a VERY popular modification in the next year or so. I talked to several companies @ PRI (Brodix, World, Dart) and they either had little interest or "were still in the planning stages" of making reverse cooling heads. If the companies won't do it for us, then it's up to the consumers to make it work. Fits my "Why buy it when you can build it" way of thinking.

The biggest hang-up will be getting an intake manifold to match the vastly different ports. I'm getting a set of All-Pro 220's to put on a twin turbo 3rd gen car later this year. I need to ask Bob @ AP if they've got any plans for reverse cooling. With what they've got coming out for the LS-motors in '05, hopefully he will. Look up the numbers on their heads, you'll be amazed. Then find the price on them and wipe up the crap that dribbles down your leg.
When i wipe the crap that dribbles down my leg off, will i be shitting on myself because of the good deal or because of the price still hiked up?
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Originally Posted by 97LT1
When i wipe the crap that dribbles down my leg off, will i be shitting on myself because of the good deal or because of the price still hiked up?
Compare All-Pro's 220s to AFR's 220s and you'll know.

Just for comparison, AP's new LSx casting will cost at least $500 less than AFRs 225s.


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