Billet MSD Opti
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From: ofallon mo
i guess im lucky that im still running my stock opti @ 91,000 miles. i have had the water pump off 4 times (dumping antifreeze easch time), i spray the enginge off with a hose all the time and never cover anything up and just pulled the opti to put a cam in and put the same old opti right back on. i also had the heater hose blow off and cover everything with antifreeze a week ago and there hasnt been a problem yet. granted im not spinning the motor much over 61-6200 but if an opti was gona dye or get wet it should be mine.
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From: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Much like LT1 heads developements from the aftermarket were slow BECAUSE THE STOCK PARTS ARE GOOD.
They can always count on you sheep to buy anything they SAY is better though remeber Granatelli and Hypertech SAY their products are good but even most of you sheep have learned better AFTER these things were in public hands and not performing.
The cap and rotor just started shipping a few weeks ago a YEAR after they were "released" The whole unit is projected to be at least 6 months out due to the 3 month backlog on cap and rotor orders, bet it is next fall before these actually hit the street in any number and AFTER that you can evaluate what results people are getting and begin to think about wether it MIGHT be better than the good stock piece.
I am not saying the cap and rotor or whole distributor are bad, just that the stock parts are many times better than given credit for and it is friggin STUPID and a grand display of what is wrong with todays society the way you people talk up how wonderful things are before anyone independant has tested them based solely on the companies advertizing.
Accell is also slated to release an opti at a lower price and really if you are convinced the opti is so bad why not use one of the multi coil systems which only retains the very low wear optical part of the opti.
This stuff is the aftermarket capitolizing on the ignorancethat drives the "opti is bad" mentality, in doing so they might have created something stronger BUT we don't know that till guys are putting lots of miles on them.
They can always count on you sheep to buy anything they SAY is better though remeber Granatelli and Hypertech SAY their products are good but even most of you sheep have learned better AFTER these things were in public hands and not performing.
The cap and rotor just started shipping a few weeks ago a YEAR after they were "released" The whole unit is projected to be at least 6 months out due to the 3 month backlog on cap and rotor orders, bet it is next fall before these actually hit the street in any number and AFTER that you can evaluate what results people are getting and begin to think about wether it MIGHT be better than the good stock piece.
I am not saying the cap and rotor or whole distributor are bad, just that the stock parts are many times better than given credit for and it is friggin STUPID and a grand display of what is wrong with todays society the way you people talk up how wonderful things are before anyone independant has tested them based solely on the companies advertizing.
Accell is also slated to release an opti at a lower price and really if you are convinced the opti is so bad why not use one of the multi coil systems which only retains the very low wear optical part of the opti.
This stuff is the aftermarket capitolizing on the ignorancethat drives the "opti is bad" mentality, in doing so they might have created something stronger BUT we don't know that till guys are putting lots of miles on them.
AND because we can not phase them to cam degree changes the stock one is a HP loser for us
The biggest feature we need is the one most have missed. +/-5 degree timing change
You are always telling us about our ignorance and usually missing our point
BTW I am not tring to pick on you in any way but I get tired of being told how great some thing is when I am replacing it on a regular basis
The argument can easily be made that the cam should be GROUND RIGHT, sure some trial and error after the fact might pay off but this feature is wasted on 90% of the people who will buy it. You want to accuse me of missing thing while you yourself miss half of what I say. I said this might be a good thing I just think it hugely irresponsible for people to talk up how great things are before a SINGLE one is tested. That is called being objective if more people were there wouldn't be so much CRAP in the aftermarket.
Obviously the stock gm opti sucks ***. Yeah, sure, you can use the same old opti, wash your car, pull it off and put it on, but if you are only doing a cam swap, than you don't run into problems. When you get into heavy upgrading, high rpms, you won't reach a problem. Has anyone had a highly modified engine and are using anyone's opti(msd, summit, etc..) and it actually work at around 6500 and up rpms? I had major misfires with my gm opti at those high rpm ranges.
Obviously the stock gm opti sucks ***. Yeah, sure, you can use the same old opti, wash your car, pull it off and put it on, but if you are only doing a cam swap, than you don't run into problems. When you get into heavy upgrading, high rpms, you won't have a problem. Has anyone had a highly modified engine and are using anyone's opti(msd, summit, etc..) and it actually work at around 6500 and up rpms? I had major misfires with my gm opti at those high rpm ranges.
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From: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
The argument can easily be made that the cam should be GROUND RIGHT, sure some trial and error after the fact might pay off but this feature is wasted on 90% of the people who will buy it. You want to accuse me of missing thing while you yourself miss half of what I say. I said this might be a good thing I just think it hugely irresponsible for people to talk up how great things are before a SINGLE one is tested. That is called being objective if more people were there wouldn't be so much CRAP in the aftermarket.
I did not miss it. Then again I have a pile of Opti craps here in verios states of burned out blowd apartness
After ten years of them it is nice to see SOME THING that might be better
BTW as has been said MANY times you NEVER know where your cam is at till you check it.
So I do a good job. One of us has to
Last edited by TwoFast4Lv; Nov 15, 2005 at 10:02 PM.
I was thinking about this some more and correct me if I am wrong but to use the advance or retard feature this will still require a gen1 timing chain that allows adjustment along with an electric waterpump, meaning the only thing it accomplishes is making it so you don't have to offset the timing tables in the pcm? The timing tables are SSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOO basic a thing to do if you are knowedable enough to be competently playing with cam timing. Sure it is a nice thing to throw in if building a new unit but I don't see how it is some major upgrade just takes the place of a very little pcm work.
Some of you are exibitting your lack of kowledge on distributors ANY distributor will missfire if it gets wet inside yes the opti is a bit more prone to get wet due to location, BUT distributors including the opti also begin to function normally again once they dry back out. Wonder how many FOOLS have swapped out a $220 opti just because it was wet and the internet says it is all bad and weak when 10 minutes with a hair dryer would have fixed it?
There are guys running the opti to and beyond the pcms 7000-7200 limit one of the b-body guys has offered a $75 internal opti upgrade that takes care of the high rpm problems SOME people have had, not sure if anyone took him up on the offer yet or not as he is not that active on the forums.
Again my problem here is people talking up how great UNTESTED parts are the stocker is better than it is given credit for but admittedly not perfect, we can not say anything is better till it survived IN NUMBERS longer or through more rpms than a stock opti in INDEPENDANT hands. Not a single MSD cap rotor or whole opti can be said to have done that much less enough of them to establish a true pattern. I could say I am the best LT1 builder ever but you guys aren't going to believe it unless you can see actual results in multiple cars right? That is all I am saying WAIT FOR RESULTS before declaring it the greatest thing ever to happen to the LT1.
My opti experiance is I swapped one out at 96K because the drivability problem I had must be that "weak" opti, it wasn't even though I had had a Jacobs ignition(big mistake) on it for 20K which ate sparkplugs for breakfast lunch and dinner. At 132K I swapped cams and reused the opti put on at 96K, currently at 165K or so with no hint of a problem and this opti has had several Dexcool baths and I wash the engine before working on it and don't hesitate to spray the opti directly with a hose. A little plug wire grease on the wriring harness seal goes a long way to make sure it is water tight. I will say my cam does not require me to rev all that high
Some of you are exibitting your lack of kowledge on distributors ANY distributor will missfire if it gets wet inside yes the opti is a bit more prone to get wet due to location, BUT distributors including the opti also begin to function normally again once they dry back out. Wonder how many FOOLS have swapped out a $220 opti just because it was wet and the internet says it is all bad and weak when 10 minutes with a hair dryer would have fixed it?
There are guys running the opti to and beyond the pcms 7000-7200 limit one of the b-body guys has offered a $75 internal opti upgrade that takes care of the high rpm problems SOME people have had, not sure if anyone took him up on the offer yet or not as he is not that active on the forums.
Again my problem here is people talking up how great UNTESTED parts are the stocker is better than it is given credit for but admittedly not perfect, we can not say anything is better till it survived IN NUMBERS longer or through more rpms than a stock opti in INDEPENDANT hands. Not a single MSD cap rotor or whole opti can be said to have done that much less enough of them to establish a true pattern. I could say I am the best LT1 builder ever but you guys aren't going to believe it unless you can see actual results in multiple cars right? That is all I am saying WAIT FOR RESULTS before declaring it the greatest thing ever to happen to the LT1.
My opti experiance is I swapped one out at 96K because the drivability problem I had must be that "weak" opti, it wasn't even though I had had a Jacobs ignition(big mistake) on it for 20K which ate sparkplugs for breakfast lunch and dinner. At 132K I swapped cams and reused the opti put on at 96K, currently at 165K or so with no hint of a problem and this opti has had several Dexcool baths and I wash the engine before working on it and don't hesitate to spray the opti directly with a hose. A little plug wire grease on the wriring harness seal goes a long way to make sure it is water tight. I will say my cam does not require me to rev all that high
